Would you take a drug that made you more happy?

[Key]

http://pubs.acs.org/cen/news/84/i29/8429notw7.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-395143/Magic-mushrooms-help-depression-say-scientists.html

Scientist are trying the effects of a drug that can stay longer active in the body and makes you more happy by changing the chemical functions in the brain

[Zesty]

as long as it doesnt 'deplete' anything, sure why not i guess. zero side effects. ecstasy makes me happy, and also depletes all your emotion chemicals if you do it enough

its kind of like how i feel vitamins SHOULD make you feel, but I never notice anything. i take them anway though cause theyre healthy

[Lolawashere]

I already do!! thanks! it's called weed. It's non addictive, has very good side effects (food taste better, it makes me really happy, it helps me sleep better, its good for PMS, it makes my tummy feel better, it changes my perspective) It's AWESOME!

Shrooms are fun! I don't know that I ever want to do them again, though.

[GoddessNextDoor]

I already do!! thanks! it's called weed. It's non addictive, has very good side effects (food taste better, it makes me really happy, it helps me sleep better, its good for PMS, it makes my tummy feel better, it changes my perspective) It's AWESOME!

Right on. ^^

I also like it because is makes music sound even more amazing. Don't even get me started on how much MORE fun sex is with it. :cool:

[Zesty]

thats sweet you guys love smokin the ganj.

i thinkk im about 1/100 but it just makes me feel awful. acid or shrooms, sure weeeeee, but if i smoke weed i feel like everything is made of plastic and the little fire of love inside me fizzles out, all thats left is a void. all the magical parts that i ever so do appreciate in real life are reduced to pure materials with no life essence, materials with a darker ominous looming to them.. whether its other people, the stairs, the food im cooking... everything just feels dead and fake. i suppose its like i 'see' into people judgments that arent even true, and everything just appears to have hidden agendas which are all false when im sober lol.

does anyone else get that? i havent smoked in like 3 years cause of it

the only times i wouldnt get it, were when id literally be BLITZED out of my gord and i was too high to even comprehend anything at all. i smoked pure hash oil off some aluminum foil once. my friend was like "dude thats a lot.. youre going to be fucked.." i laughed cause there wasnt any smoke or anything, and the drop of oil was like the size of a pinhead. 5 mins later i was lying on the side of the road with time and space becoming one while my friends had to drag me to under a tree lol. then i felt high for like 72 hours after O.o

[GoddessNextDoor]

Yeah, I know what that feeling you're describing is- sounds like paranoia to me. Not uncommon with smoking the ganj. I think that it has a lot to do with the environment you're in and the people you're with. If you're in a chilled-out setting with some cool peeps, then you're good.

But hey, different strokes, right? ^^

BTW Key- this made me LOL

"Maybe, if it didn’t have any side effects such as not noticing tyranny when it happens around you."

:hilarious:

[Zesty]

P A R A N O I A A A A AAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RUN FOR THE HILLS


http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/runaway.gifhttp://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/runaway.gifhttp://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/runaway.gifhttp://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/runaway.gif

[cigi]

weed is meh. It just brings out my inner fat girl which always winds up at fruity pebbles & a nap.:shock:

But this one time, at band-camp, I had some that was laced with a mysterious hallucinogen of unknown origin. That I would smoke again. ^^

[Zesty]

weed is meh. It just brings out my inner fat girl which always winds up at fruity pebbles & a nap.:shock:

But this one time, at band-camp, I had some that was laced with a mysterious hallucinogen of unknown origin. That I would smoke again. ^^

lol hopefully it wasnt shrooms.

any time in college people were like "dude i just smoked the best shrooms" i always did a facepalm and thought ... i hope you like spores growing in your lungs XD

[cigi]

lol hopefully it wasnt shrooms.


uhhhh...pretty sure it wasn't anything organic.:facelol:

[Zesty]

oh looordy lol

O_O

cigi smoked pcp?

[cigi]

hahahaha....there is absolutely no evidence of that.

[AttractionFactor]

http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/smoking.jpg

Ahhh... aint nothing like eating through some good weed!
This dirt aint cheap!

Where would this thread be without AF pictures? :p:facelol:

[Key]

Abe on conspiracies: "Your governments are not that clever." I would have thought that was bloomin obvious to anyone who hadn't taken some kind of pill to remove their powers of observation. They are at least clever enough to get you focused on anything but themselves, so they can continue their plans undisturbed while you sit there and enjoy the tyranny

[cigi]

Key. Hun. Really.

Maybe you should consider a drug or two. Maybe some sex. Something. Anything.

You're makin' me sad.:cry:

[AttractionFactor]

Do whateva it takes to get happy!

http://petrukmoroto.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/monkey-smoking3.jpg

Monkey See. Monkey Do. Monkey smokes like me and you!

[Zesty]

Key. Hun. Really.

Maybe you should consider a drug or two. Maybe some sex. Something. Anything.

You're makin' me sad.:cry:

:facelol:

I have 2 questions

1. who is this key, who throws around the word tyranny like its friday

2. who is starchild

it appears you guys have been here for some time but I dont recognize your names. were you someone else at one point?

[Pina Colada]

Maybe you should consider a drug or two. Maybe some sex.
He needs a nice,good fellatio.Heck,I will do it myself.Whatever makes this world a better place.

[AttractionFactor]

:o

[AttractionFactor]

:facelol:

http://rlv.zcache.com/heal_the_world_button-p145838297595301567t5sj_400.jpg

[Key]

1. who is this key, who throws around the word tyranny like its friday

OMG shhhiiissh don't say that word its forbidden! It might rain tonight, now we must sacrifice to the gods!

See this is the typical people the government and the elite wants, citizens who won't even dare to think anything bad, now that's a brave new world coming true!

People fought with sticks and swords with their lives before now they war is all but psychological

If you can convince your enemy that you are his friend well then you have won the battle

Governments vs. the people have a nasty history together ever cared to read about it? Or are you to busy getting entertained by today’s indoctrinated society?

[AttractionFactor]

Key - someone just mentioned a good fetallio? And you're back to talking about government conspiracies. Where are your priorities man????!!!!

Just sayin.:confused:

[cigi]

Key - someone just mentioned a good fetallio? And you're back to talking about government conspiracies. What are your priorities man????!!!!




key. key, key, key.:confused:

[Mariposa]

:facelol::facelol::facelol::facelol::facelol:

[Key]

key. key, key, key.:confused:

Shut up I’m not that easily tempted even if it would have been nice :D

[cigi]

Shut up I’m not that easily tempted even if it would have been nice :D

rofl

I know sweetie. You turn down cookies all the time...

[Zesty]

OMG shhhiiissh don't say that word its forbidden! It might rain tonight, now we must sacrifice to the gods!

See this is the typical people the government and the elite wants, citizens who won't even dare to think anything bad, now that's a brave new world coming true!

People fought with sticks and swords with their lives before now they war is all but psychological

If you can convince your enemy that you are his friend well then you have won the battle

Governments vs. the people have a nasty history together ever cared to read about it? Or are you to busy getting entertained by today’s indoctrinated society?

Lets see here..

I can a) go outside on a wonderful sunny crisp breezy day listening to good music on my phone while diligently watering and trimming my bonsai trees, without a care in the world. followed by making money in my sleep doing what I love and traveling to new parts of the country on monday, finding new wonderful people in my life experience, entertaining new business ideas, and all around not giving two shits about what's going on around me in the "real world"

or b) turn on the news and get bogged down with so much contradictory negative energy that my entire being is occupied with justifications and explanations that I no longer no which direction I'd truly like to go in. Or read the hundreds of pages of the paper every day full of useless, boring DRIVEL that serves my purpose 0%

Furthermore, do you think you actually know what is going on? It cracks me up to see people argue about politics or whatever other BS is going on in depth ENDLESSLY and getting riled up like their answer is so right and they KNOW what is going on.
Government conspiracy? Did you read that on a cereal box? XD I'm gonna need you to write me up a 5,000 chapter essay on it, cause thats the amount of space it would require. Any less wouldnt do it justice.
I mean honestly, unless youre at the absolute top of the food chain (far above obama I'd imagine), I highly doubt you know the ins and outs of every motive, monetary or intentional exchange, flows of economy, power, systems and infinitely complex webs that this government is in order to devote so much time of your wonderful life to it in order to make decisions about it that honestly won't do anything. I let the mucks do that, its not for me. Unless youve read hundreds of thousands of books on the subject and are actively involved with politics since day 1, and have hundreds of people in your network that let you in on all the secrets, and literally devote every waking our to critically thinking about whats going on, then I see no reason to be actively looking at all the 'tyranny' and whatever bs agenda the govt has "planned". that nonsense can suck my dick.

sure if i get drafted I'll focus on it then, and enjoy the experience.. ive always been fascinated with it. If I suddenly become impoverished... awesome thats happened plenty of times to me before and I'll find ways to look back on it and laugh

[Key]

rofl

I know sweetie. You turn down cookies all the time...

Not all the time, only when they are trying to distract from the truth! :shock: :D

[Zesty]

http://www.intarnet.us/graphics/i-fucking-love-sweeping.jpg

[Mariposa]

omg, I just fell in love with that rodent! :facelol::facelol::facelol:

and Key... what's happened to you? :liplol: you've been way jollier lately... :wink2:

XD

[AttractionFactor]

We know that rodent fucking loved voting yes! :facelol:

[GoddessNextDoor]

He needs a nice,good fellatio.Heck,I will do it myself.Whatever makes this world a better place.

Pina Colada: Saving the world from tyranny, one fellatio at a time. :facelol:

Lets see here..

I can a) go outside on a wonderful sunny crisp breezy day listening to good music on my phone while diligently watering and trimming my bonsai trees, without a care in the world. followed by making money in my sleep doing what I love and traveling to new parts of the country on monday, finding new wonderful people in my life experience, entertaining new business ideas, and all around not giving two shits about what's going on around me in the "real world"

or b) turn on the news and get bogged down with so much contradictory negative energy that my entire being is occupied with justifications and explanations that I no longer no which direction I'd truly like to go in. Or read the hundreds of pages of the paper every day full of useless, boring DRIVEL that serves my purpose 0%

Furthermore, do you think you actually know what is going on? It cracks me up to see people argue about politics or whatever other BS is going on in depth ENDLESSLY and getting riled up like their answer is so right and they KNOW what is going on.
Government conspiracy? Did you read that on a cereal box? XD I'm gonna need you to write me up a 5,000 chapter essay on it, cause thats the amount of space it would require. Any less wouldnt do it justice.
I mean honestly, unless youre at the absolute top of the food chain (far above obama I'd imagine), I highly doubt you know the ins and outs of every motive, monetary or intentional exchange, flows of economy, power, systems and infinitely complex webs that this government is in order to devote so much time of your wonderful life to it in order to make decisions about it that honestly won't do anything. I let the mucks do that, its not for me. Unless youve read hundreds of thousands of books on the subject and are actively involved with politics since day 1, and have hundreds of people in your network that let you in on all the secrets, and literally devote every waking our to critically thinking about whats going on, then I see no reason to be actively looking at all the 'tyranny' and whatever bs agenda the govt has "planned". that nonsense can suck my dick.

sure if i get drafted I'll focus on it then, and enjoy the experience.. ive always been fascinated with it. If I suddenly become impoverished... awesome thats happened plenty of times to me before and I'll find ways to look back on it and laugh


This rocks :love:

[Joyseeking]

LoL

[River]

I took a drug for headaches and jaw pain. It made me very happy and I didn't know I had been depressed. That was a couple of years ago, and the medicine was homeopathy. It was for my constitution which effects body and emotions. Boy was it a shift! It has continued and I have had other homeopathic medicines for my constitution since then, and it works with more emotional well-being than I had before always. It is vibrational medicine and worth checking out. It just might make you happier.:joylick:
:heart:shannon

[Mariposa]

Pina Colada: Saving the world from tyranny, one fellatio at a time. :facelol:

rofl

... ye know... I would join you, but... I wouldn't do it for an external cause other than just... ye know, pleasure... :p

And look who showed up? Joyseeking! XD

homeopathy... I should go back to that, yes...

I'm thinking the little rodent must be radiant with inner joy, no need for drugs, and besides... it must be tired of being used for that! :( I would set it free to spread natural joy to the world.... :p

[Zesty]

were they ludes? XD

[Mariposa]

drugs don't make you happy

[Bodhi]

Not all the time, only when they are trying to distract from the truth! :shock: :D

Your truth, ahem...

There are as many "truths" as there are people. Some resonate with you more than others, or totally, or not at all. Those that do resonate with you, are y-o-u-r v-i-b-r-a-t-i-o-n-a-l m-a-t-c-h-e-s.

http://www.thedieline.com/.a/6a00d8345250f069e2011168f232cc970c-800wi


The good news is you can become a vibrational match to anything you want.

[cigi]

drugs don't make you happy

You are 100% right, Maris. Drugs don't make you happy. As a matter of fact, nothing makes you happy.

Kinda one of those things...you either got it, or ya don't.^^

[Mariposa]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^xactly^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Bodhi]

Amen.

[AttractionFactor]

you are 100% right, maris. Drugs don't make you happy. As a matter of fact, nothing makes you happy.

Kinda one of those things...you either got it, or ya don't.^^

Keep on Pimpin it my Abe Peeps!!!! We makes ourselves happy - nothing outside of us ever will!!! Pimpin to DA max!

[Mariposa]

:D FEELS SO EMPOWERING, DON'T IT? :D

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa123/Blorno/celebrate.gif

[Mariposa]

sure, that's just not happyness per sei...

[cigi]

sure, that's just not happyness per sei...

Actually, if it looks like happy & it feels like happy, it's probably happy.

Leah, you always get it.;)

But seriously kids, drugs are no laughing matter...

http://lineout.thestranger.com/files/2008/07/BarfingBarbie.jpg

:facelol:

[Zesty]

jack danielzzzzzzzzzzzz

[asjairok]

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7015/kuku1sd5.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6574/kuku3fg3.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9572/kuku4yj7.jpg

[Zesty]

lol that is so true, and the most awesome thing.

every time im dreaming im in a parking lot floating in the sky or im hanging out with my soul, i wake up like ... *ahh damn*

[Zesty]

well aint that the truth XD

i really wish i could astrally project.

or at least lucid dream

i have the most insane spectacular vivid dreams of anyone i know and I have yet to lucid dream. i actually did it once but i didnt do anything terribly intersting, i was just fascinated with controlling plants or something

astral projection is a whole different beast that Ive set the intention out there so strongly, i bought a few books, i did everything in them memorized all the patters of ways to build energy and i tried every day, still no luck yet. im determined to get it though

i came really really close one time, and it was similar to my dmt trip.. the most intense scary fucking thing ever heh. it was literally like a freight train was going through my room (no exaggeration), it was so loud and so intense i woke up instantly from excitement saying WTF!!!!!!!!!!! over and over

since then i havent really gotten that close, but i got a taste :]

[Zesty]

thats a good trick, ill do that

how was astral projection..? my friend has been to some hellish places too but hes been to equally insane places

can you describe what it is like? i heard its just as real as this physical life, more 'real' than dreams which can be fuzzy.. how is it different than just a lucid dream

[Zesty]

but if youre conscious but on a different plane, how do you know its not real?

[Zesty]

yea, i use all those terms loosely

when youre here, awake.. this seems very very real (although we know its just as much of a dream but for the sake of my question..)

when youre dreaming it seems real I suppose, but in a magical way, and when you lucid dream you know you are dreaming so it seems more like a fun place to do whatever, not very real. often times at the end of my dreams right when i wake up i realize im dreaming, not so bad

but when you astrally project, and as you said, you thought it was real.. if youre conscious while youre astrally projecting, how come you dont see it as 'not real' just like a lucid dream?

sorry im kind of hungover, that may or may not make sense

[Zesty]

wow :/

[Mariposa]

Or Whatever Gets You Through The Night, Lennon-style.

These days I'm just happy. I like that.



Hey I never knew that was Lennon! yay, thanks for!

I love that you're just happy Leah!

[Mariposa]

http://rlv.zcache.com/kangaroo_love_card-p137187916053924354q6ay_400.jpg

:p he looks kinda freaky, don't he? :facelol: you get the point though XD

[Wideyed]

Kangaroo's are pets in Australia and walk around the streets on leads.

[Zesty]

I'm drunk (different time zone) and you're making sense to me.

The astral hells I've been to were while I was asleep. They were distinguishable from your standard nightmare by their clarity and how real they seemed. Just like my keyboard now seems real (and probably isn't, but let's not go there).

It was horrific stuff. If I told you the plot you would laugh, but I was the scaredest I've ever been. One time the people were all kinda grey and wearing rags and their vibration was awful. None of em spoke to me. Probably couldn't see me, who knows? We were all in deep, stinking mud.

Another time I had a coupla women after me. Know how they frightened me? They pulled faces at me. See, I told you you'd laugh.

When I woke up from those I knew I'd been Somewhere Else, and for a long time I believed it was what awaited me after my physical croaking. I haven't been there for a long time and I no longer think it's waiting for me.

Everything is created by my mind, right?

I went to a spiritualist church once and one of the mediums came to speak to me privately. For no reason at all she started talking about astral hells. I remember she said I shouldn't be worried about the weird music and people pulling gargoyle-type faces. "Just keep going," she said. "If you get scared of them you'll get stuck there."

I was :scratch: That was before I went there, you see.

I got scared but I didn't get stuck. Hooray for me!

I'm aware there's a better side to astral projection. Read The Bridge Across Forever by Richard Bach.

i think i was jacking off when you replied hence my terse reply, lets give this another go now

you know sometimes youll be surfing and stumble upon the hottest porn youve ever seen so you gotta do what you gotta do but then i alt+tabbed to your reply to read some boring things on abetalk and prolong the pleasure with a brief intermission, and i read your thing and it pretty much killed my buzz :/

ive considered things like that, I suppose.. that really there is no feel good place just some hellish place that we aren't allowed to have. sure it exists but maybe its like a prison for souls that just get fucked with by abe and seth and bashar lol.

sure is a terrible thought, but i have considered it and it sent a little shiver of fear down to my bones.

the only thing that can keep me with the faith that only love is waiting for me, is how I feel when I am in those super synchronistic 'bursts' of extremely high vibration, and you just KNOW.

as for astral realms my friend has been to both completely gorgeous amazing things that he couldnt even begin to describe, and also those astral hells

its a bummer that you ended up getting shafted on your only few astral projection trips. maybe try again?

i do have a question though I have often wondered... and this topic made me think of it.. seth or other channels often talk about ghosts or lost entities that wander around aimlessly trying to scare you, or in general beings that youd really want to stay away from. obviously in astral projection you experienced a hellish place and it is an actual plane that exists, so there must be SOME part of self-awareness which is locked in hell. thats kind of weird too, I guess for the simple fact I'm aware of that and choose to let it go means that I won't be going there at some point. I can only hope XDXD

[cigi]

Is it possible the hells are only hellish because we assign that meaning to them? I mean, if all is truly well, wouldn't that indicate there's nothing really wrong with an astral hell in the broadest sense, just to the individual viewing it?

I see it maybe like a bad trip. I know lotsa ppl who've had 'em....just not me because I was always really happy with whatever turned up.

Does that make any sense?

[Zesty]

ya, but thats what makes it hell, is that you just dont have the ability to choose, whether thats willpower or strength of mind or spirit. when the decision is outside your own, or if the decision is yours and you just cant muster the strength necessary, that is hell to me.
not that ive had any bad trips either, or I think that any of that is truly what happens, it was just kind of a morbid thought i entertained for a brief period, worse than a scary movie hehe.

i can see where shes coming from though, the one time i got close to projecting it was so insane that i woke up with my heart beating at 500 beats per minute cause there was no possible way i was expecting it to be that intense. i was like... beyond blown away that my body is capable of doing this, ANYONE'S is, and no one is aware of it. It was like realizing I have a fucking thermonuclear bomb in my back pocket and never realizing it was there for 26 years. its dandy to talk about it now, but when you actually go there its like...

http://xspblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/donotwant.jpg

[cigi]

Ah, cigi. Either you’re Pollyanna or you’ve led an extremely privileged life. I think probably both. You were Pollyanna in your last incarnation and you came to this one with phenomenal Universal Credit.

I can remember being envious of you. Now that my life is transforming before my eyes, I think how much more I can appreciate heaven because I have such clear memories of hell.



LMAO Leah.

Short version: last life I was made a slave-whore after my family was killed by the white man's disease & then I was eventually beheaded for treason against France. Tracy was there. That was fun. She committed suicide...

Maybe that's why this one seems like such a cake-walk.XD

[Zesty]

obviously in astral projection you experienced a hellish place and it is an actual plane that exists, so there must be SOME part of self-awareness which is locked in hell
----
At that time most of my awareness was locked in hell. My last ‘visit’ was late in 96, so that’s quite a long time ago. I have a written account of it that I could probably lay my two typing fingers on in minutes, if you’re interested.

what I meant by saying that was we can consider that theres a good chance only love is waiting for us after we die, or at least not being tormented in some hell of no-choice like I talked about. life after death, or in a greater sense existing is awesome, instead of being a 'lost soul' who is damned to a place where they have no choice but to stay there, whether its a choice of something 'higher' than them, or their own choice but they dont have the strength to decide not to be there

But if you think about ALL THAT IS, there are certain facets of consciousness (ie your gray people in the mud) who ARE there.. or my friend sees spirits and they seem lost sometimes and they wont leave him alone, and they will be very vibrationally fucked up.
astral projection is a fairly REAL place I believe (im pretty sure thats been stated by a lot of other astral travelers.. its not a moogy dreamworld like in dreams but an actual other plane that exists). so if thats right so far, that means there are variants of 'tortured souls' roaming around, and they are more than likely stuck there. if they are there, then i suppose its logical assume the possibility that i could be there too (i wouldnt be protected by this 'all is love and happiness' thing that all the channels speak about). if that were totally true, and that everyone has a 'choice', then those peeps prolly wouldnt be there ;p

maybe thats my duality brain trying to understand. i suppose its kind of scary because i have felt nightmares and hellish times where it literally comes down to an INTENSE point of my entire experience being all or none, love & light or darkness. one is always 'above' the other, and always will be there to support you no matter how 'cloudy' things become, or how far off your path you get. I could be a soul who decides to experience a short duration of hell but i am always supported by love and light, and as long as its always there, i can ALWAYS without a doubt 100% of the time know ALL IS WELL and i can be free. On the other hand ive had times where ive been in those super super super hellish times (i am thinking of one in particular, it was after an acid trip, but not during it). literally it comes down to black and white, and i started seeing the possibility or faint very frightening glimpse that existence and all that is was an INFINITELY complex web of impulses and desires and vibrations, but at the top wasnt love and light but basically .. nothing. illusions of love and light were only a biproduct of whatever it was that was there. so basically the knowing all is well crumbles on that fact.

when i say words to you that they were scary experiences it doesnt really impregnate your worldview with an impact, so its easy to debunk it as silly and say 'all is well travis, youre version just isnt up to speed with love and light so you dont percieve it like that - but you will', but i gotta say those experiences really were so intense they made it seem like all of that was an illusion, ALL OF IT, and that is why it was so. fucking. god. damn. scary.

like i said i dont really believe that now, I do believe love is the ultimate, ("good" you can say), and that its always there, a positive above zero force, and that those tortured souls are there for a reason, and the universe is acting in highest love. i only can really TRUST that because ive had tastes of pure bliss through it, even if it comes and goes, and to me it feels so right. so even though ive tasted both sides of it and both felt 10000% real in each situation, im going with the love & light side

--------------------------

merge posts..

leah i will send you a book that will get you to project im 90% sure of it. you have to read it and do it though, what is your email?

its one of the most popular astral projection books and when i did it, my ability to get into that freight train state increase a ton.

where as before i was 2/10 on the scale of 'being there', it got up to 8 or 9.. i was RIGHT there, but i just started getting super busy with making money that I stopped trying. I need to get back on it again

1 more edit

if you want to be in vibrational match with a lot more then tepid porn lemme know :wink2:

[cigi]

Ok, so now I have a question:

Is it possible to be physically injured in astral projection ---come back with any kind of physical injury or symptom?

(goin' somewhere with this...maybe.)

[Zesty]

Ok, so now I have a question:

Is it possible to be physically injured in astral projection ---come back with any kind of physical injury or symptom?

(goin' somewhere with this...maybe.)

Ive heard from some of the main people that teach astral projection that there is no danger if your chord gets cut or anything happens to you, you will still wake up fine.

There are other people that say your spirit can get deranged of infested with negative spirits or whatever and after that youre a bit fucked physically, even when you wake up.

I'm gonna go with the people that know it and teach it though, not some random dude in his room who also takes lithium

============ i really hate it when it merges my posts... we seriously need to remove that feature

you know now that i have talked about this a lot in this thread.. I had a minor epiphany. I've never really focused on this topic that much until now, but I think during the majority of my life I've felt like that. Almost alien and surreal.. like this ominous and infinitely powerful dark looming feeling. I think its funny that I never realized what it was due to what I just said, it was always a mystery, and it would drive me insane trying to figure it out cause it was just paradoxes stacked inside other things I couldnt comprehend.

I even went to the school psychiatrist without a clue as to why i was going, just a looming ominous feeling. he basically said I should get a $9000 brain scan lol. in retrospect it was creating an issue out of nothing, just like people were telling me. the reason it was so paradoxical was because it was self reflexive, and simply not focusing on it made it go away. haha .. spectacular

at the time I felt like the obvious answer to being in hell would be, as you said, to regain control of your thinking. but similarly to like what we have on earth, there are people that got it, and people that dont got it. they both have the same potential, but just something ISNT THERE. They may have all the same opportunities to create with their mind, but they dont have the ability for the means to get there. maybe not at this level, maybe not even the NEXT level of vibrational awareness.. maybe not even 69 levels or 100 gaquillion levels, but one up there, maybe even at the top, would be ultimate where it knows my true self is not one of freedom. my oversoul being one that don't got it'

anyway, that was a long time ago. Im writing that out for clarity too of what happened to the best i remember it. I think thats what made me so nutty when i first found abe-hicks and the secret (you probably remember my first posts), those ideas clashed so hard

kind of cool to look at it though, its amazing how much you learn in 3 years from 21 to 24. i can only imagine what it will be like when im like 70, that is if i dont evaporate someday on crotch rocket covered in napalm fire going off the grand canyon at 210 mph with a cape that says supergodmasterforce on it

"It does? What could possibly be all-is-weller than the understanding that you’re alone in the Universe and there’s nothing around that isn’t a projection of your Thought?

Congratulations, God."

thats an awesome quote. that sums up how my views have changed in 3 years, altho i choose not to see it as alone.

its pretty direct when you think about it, heh. cant get simpler. *cough*KEY*cough*

====

lol, i need to time travel back and kick my past self in the dicks.

MERGE POSTS FEATURE NEEDS TO FUCKING DIE

[Zesty]

mm...

youre right about the water thing, thats for sure.

i dont quite know what you mean by the pyramid thing though, are you saying I'm like a low 4 or something and need to get to high 4?


ive experimented a lot with chakras too, thats how i get close to projecting is i do traditional energy work on all my chakras in order of base to third eye. then i rock my body back and forth with astral hands and "pull" my body out of my physical body.

once, before I read about how you must do them in order, not overstimulate them, and not overfill certain energy basins (either your stomach one or your chest one), I stimulated my third eye chakra before any others, and I continued to open it for a about 45 minutes because it kept getting more intense like I was on acid. It lasted like 3 days where it was difficult to function in the world, I just blew that wide open

[cigi]

I’m comically short-sighted. Neil has 30 per cent hearing in one ear and none in the other. Each of us lives in our separate blur.

I can see clearly at near and distance in my dreams. I never have glasses on and I’ve never so much as thought within a dream, not even a lucid one: “Wow, I can see!”

I saw those grey people in the mud. And I guess I smelled the mud, too; which is unlikely given that I’m a heavy smoker and would be unperturbed with a mothball shoved up each nostril. But I described it as ‘stinking’ without a second thought.

Ok, so this has me thinking (& pretending not to notice the CG-snarkage ;)).

The reason I had an affinity for our dearly departed Azzz, was that he dropped the idea somewhere that everything is actually sound. Everything. It caused a light-bulb to go off in my head & I remembered all those youtube videos that showed sand & sugar formations on speakers. It occurred to me then that we were separating our senses needlessly into categories of different types of processes when everything was actually the same. {This may be stating the obvious, but the paradigm shift made it all make sense for me.}

If this were true, & everything is in fact conglomerations of frequency, then it would totally explain why there are no limitations in dreams or astral projection. The limitation is in the body, but when the physical is left behind, everything is sensed with the being & not the organs. Hence, your vision would be perfect because what you see is not being processed thru the physical receptors of your eyeballs/optical nerves/brain matter.

It also explains why astral/parallel realms can sit on top of each other unnoticed, why one can see & not be seen and why some of us can see stuff that doesn't "belong". It explains hallucinations, visions, & dreams.

Beyond that, it caused me to fully realize the concepts of oneness & duality as well as their flaws as they had previously been presented.

AND these hells you speak of could be hellish because even tho you are not seeing them from your physical being, you would still process the thought of them thru your existing persona which you would only shed upon death. That persona is wrapped up in the idea of what comfort/discomfort is & it would make total sense that some of what you see would feel appalling to the physically-anchored you, while non-fizzy sees it as perfectly well.

I don't even know if I'm making sense here, it's just musing based on my own experiences, but for me, it fits...

[cigi]

As my wife says, ghosts are seen with the mind's eye rather than the eyeballs.

That's why they can't be captured on camera.

As for everything being sound---I think sound is just an expression of light. I think perhaps everything is strings of vibratory light---like a web, a matrix---all connected and all respond-able and react-able. Each of us a nonphysical thinker/feeler who can "mold the clay", mold the vibratory strings with our thoughts...

A lighter touch prevails.

Enjoying the confident swagger of your tone lately, Cig.:rainman:

Thanks Skib.:heart:

I like the idea either way...all light, all sound. Ultimately it's the same, huh?

Your wife sounds like a pretty smart lady.

ummmm, none of this new tho....:scratch:



Just wondering what it is about "You are Vibrational Beings" that's been missed?

:scratch:

Glad to read the class is catching up.


None of what we converse about is new. I dont see how discussing it from a personal pov indicates claiming "new" knowledge, or having "missed' something or "catching up."

[cigi]

My comment comes from the context in which the information was presented:


I specifically phrased it as a non-absolute because I don't believe it's an absolute...just the best we can do with our current level of understanding.

Words fail.

[cigi]

Sorry in advance for mangling this post, Leah. My brain overload seems to have affected my cut & paste skills.

In the beginning was the Word, and the word was AUM. Have you heard it? I have. It started up about day two of my week-long stay at the Findhorn Community in Scotland, and it began to fade on my last evening. It was among the highlights of my life.

Yes, I'm familiar. ॐ

When I was in college, I had the opportunity to attend a Buddhist sand painting ceremony. The vibration was so strong from the monks' chanting that in one enclosed area, it made me physically ill. My professor found it highly amusing. I'd love to see how that vibration would affect me these days.

It also makes me wonder about the "train"...how the physical form dampens down external vibration & the effect of leaving that protective shell...


What seems odd to me is that there’s no bleed-through from beta. Vision is just not an issue. Makes a mockery of me advising Travis to ask himself every five minutes whether he’s awake or dreaming, doesn’t it?

idk...I'm sure I've dreamed of wearing my glasses/contacts. I know seemingly real physical things have happened to me in altered states (drug/sleep/meditation).



You get on a different plane and all bets are off. It’s SO different you don’t even remember what’s ‘normal’ for you.

I’m not convinced I will shed my existing persona upon death; not immediately, anyway. Dannion Brinkley seems to be the authority on this subject, and seeing as he came back to tell us about it it’s clear he didn’t do any instantaneous shedding.

Like I said earlier, at the time I believed that was where I was heading. No kidding, I was lying there (afraid to go back to sleep for one thing); and also running through ideas of getting myself to church as soon as it was open, re-reading the 10 commandments, giving up booze, fags, illicit drugs and a multitude of other sins… Anything to circumvent what was looking like the inevitable.

You’ll be glad to know I got better. :facelol: I don’t go there any more.


Brian Weiss talks about this too. He refers to a patient who believed he went to hell in between lifetimes, only to later realize it was his own creation based on the belief that he deserved to be there.

So sure, there must be hells. After all, the morphic field is astronomical for it & for that matter heavens too. I think maybe in non-fizzy they are as easy to walk away from as dropping a pebble IF one has the thought capacity to do so. Then of course, this loops us right back around to the physical here. Another morphic field and we know walk-outs are far & few between.




And BTW cigi, ’twas not snarkage but homage.

hahaha...I thought it was cute & I am a fan of snark, so it's all good. And I'm afraid I can't truly offer too much in the form of swagger on this particular subject. I feel hopelessly undereducated & intend to continue drilling you guys with questions as long as you'll tolerate it.XD





Don’t call the authorities yet. I’m having too much fun… although I’m desperately sleep-deprived. Eek. That’s exactly what was going on before I fell into a coma and woke up in a loony bin.

Somehow, I don't see that happening at this stage of the game...