Not freedom from the experience, but freedom from the tension.

[Rodney]

I'm experiencing disappointment lately. Disappointed because I know what being alive feels like, and then not being able to get into that state. And tonight, after a good week of diffused focus and inability to grasp onto any comfortable thought, I have found solace in the idea of suicide.

I like the idea of suicide because it gives me back my power. To know that, if at any time I am not enjoying my experience, I don't have to sit there and take it. I have the ability to cease the pain. No one can take away my right to death; it's the only human right that can ever be guaranteed.


Why do you think you're so special? Why do you think you're different than everyone else?

Suicide!

Why don't you get a job?

Suicide!

Why does life have to feel good?

Suicide!


I don't give a rip about survival. I didn't come here to fight for scraps, to fight diseases, to fight for my worthiness.

I came here for a ride on the roller-coaster of new experience because I thought it would be fun, exciting, life giving. And shit, I'm not enjoying myself!!! I'm waving my arms up and down, screaming my face off, hoping that the operate will bring this ride to a gentle stop.

But, I'm not tying the noose around my neck just yet. I've been through this before. I want to live 400 years in this body!!! I can't be dying every time I feel suicidal, I'll never get there. I know this is a temporary experience. I know it always gets better. And, I know it's not freedom from the experience that I'm wanting.

What I really want is to be free from this tension. I want to get into my vortex, and to stay there. I want to be connected to the stream of life. I want to be in that state where I'm basking in the shower of love energy. I want to be in that state where I know and feel that all-is-well. I want well-being to be my dominant vibration.

I don't have to croak to experience the relief of dying. I know that feeling is available to me, here and now. I've experienced it before. I know what it feels like. I know what it's like to feel alive, I know what it's like to be basking in a shower of energy, I know what it's like to feel worthy, I know what it's like to feel loved.

And, I know that feeling is available to me when I want to tap into it. I don't have to solve a skill testing question to gain access, I don't have to win a random draw, I don't have to be awarded a trophy. I just have to whisper the magical word... Suicide! :facelol:

[Blissful Creator]

I know exactly what mean. A few days ago I threatened my Inner Being that I'll kill myself before my next birthday if things got bad, hehehe. I felt better immediately. Thank God for suicide!

[Nightprincessa]

I want to live 400 years in this body!!!

Good thing to know I'll still have you as friend on facebook 300 yrs from now. :D

[Chamber]

Facebook? Who's gonna need Facebook?

Direct line.

My head is open and ready to be tapped into.

Is yours?

;)

[Nightprincessa]

Facebook? Who's gonna need Facebook?

Direct line.

My head is open and ready to be tapped into.

I've been lurking in there for some time now, where do you think you get those brilliant ideas from!? :rolleyes: :cool:

Is yours?

;)

Yeah, mine is open but you need a special code to fully tap in. :D

[asjairok]

;)
...............

[Flo]

This may be totally irrelavant, but Jody uses the metaphor (abe's ?) of choosing amusement park rides alot on the other forum, as the choice we made when we made the decision to incarnate....what kind of ride are you choosing?

You spoke of roller coasters....full of tremendous highs and lows. That's just part of the ride.

While I used to be a roller coaster fan, I am now loving the tilt-a-whirl....it's got the votex-y feeling.

http://www.randomterrain.com/personal-tilt-a-whirl-tribute.html

Back to the topic........

I think there is something so deep inside us that wants freedom, the freedom the choose.....knowing there is a choice, gives our freedom-seeking being its power back on some level....that alone can move the energy/vibe from the black hole/the death spiral/the bottom rung of the egs.

Flo

[Mariposa]

Skibby!! Nice post, very truthful.

My #1 priority in every moment is to feel good---not to have the jackpot or the Ferrari or the freedom from workhell---but to feel good NOW.:hilarious: workhell!! what a describing word!! :facelol:

As Chamber might say, perhaps, WHAT if it is a statement of creation though? :joylick:

11:11...

what can I say?

Feeel those 400 years of VIBRANT life NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.

BLISSFUL! gOOD to know you're one of us too!! :p welcome to the ''suicide.... maybe not'' club! :cheers:

But Skibby, I wanna tell you I think I win, I think about it since I was 14! :iletgo:

Hey, can we have a suicide emoticon? rofl Just so we can laugh about it, being witnesses to the absurd drama of our own minds!!

Skibby, so so true, nothing that HAPPENS can be worse than HOW WE FEEL about it and beat the drum of it, beat the drum of it, beat the drum of it, beat the drum of it.... WHEN THE PRESENT MOMENT IS FRESH and here!!!

I saw this HILARIOUS TV show a few nights ago, a British one!! I couldn't know the name of it, but it was like a news show at times, where this reporter said:

''We are here at the blablahblah place, as you can see there is smoke all over but EVERYTHING IS FINE NOW, nothing is happening, except for the moment when some people were dying, but everything is fine now!!!''

Then back to studios, the news person would read the newspapers headlines. ''Everything is okay, some people where killed, but everything is fine now.'' More headlines ''OK''. ''All is Well''...


roflrofl it was PERFECT!!! IT IS SOOO TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :facelol:

(I googled and it may be the Peter Serafinowicz show, cuz I remember thinking, I will never remember that name lol)

notice THE SPACE around the little events

notice the vibrant life within

notice the silence underneath the sounds

notice the witness in you underneath the thinker

:heart:

[Gina]

This is my favorite post from you, ever, 11:11.
And I think yours here might be my favorite from you, too, Skibby.
:namaste:

The suicide option is sometimes the only thing that makes life worth living.

That's about the size of it.
Much love, Leah.

[thesweetnow]

In a rush to post but wanted to say....


wow, I was totally thinking about 'helping myself transition' the other day. And it wasn't a terrifying thought. And I wasn't completely miserable. But everything wasn't going perfectly and I really thought about it.

There was some comfort in being able to think about it and also know that I can feel better here and now too. Passage back to Pure Positive Energy - in time, but I want more of this ride first.

:heart:Sweet Now

[Kameroon]

I know exactly what mean. A few days ago I threatened my Inner Being that I'll kill myself before my next birthday if things got bad, hehehe. I felt better immediately. Thank God for suicide!

hahah i just laughed out loud at this. man. haha

[Rodney]

I am sorry if I sound judgmental...

Well there you go... when you're inside the vortex, there is not judgment, there is only understanding :grin:

You'll have to elaborate your perspective for me, Adal. I don't really understand what you're saying.

[Kameroon]

So you are inside the vortex 11:11? Please.

[Kameroon]

siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Adal..
no estas deprimido, estas distraido.
That video makes me cryyy =)

[Rodney]

Like Facundo Cabral said.. "it's not depressed, just distracted"

I don't agree with that, because I have experienced both: depression at one point, and being distracted at another point. When a deliberate creator like me becomes depressed, I am clarifying and defining what I want, I am always focusing. And what I think is missing in an experience where I am depressed, what is missing is the dominant vibration of well-being. It's like, it doesn't matter where I focus, I just feel so inundated by reality, and I just want to be free.

And in an experience like that, what I want more than anything is to become free from the physical reality.

Right before I made this post, I played a game I had just come up with. It's called... If I kill myself tomorrow, what will no longer matter to me? What can I stop caring about, because tomorrow I will be dead? And I started making a list of all these ideas that are dragging me down, and I started to release them, saying "fuck you, tomorrow I will be dead, you no longer matter."

Here was my list:

- Credit card bill, mortgage, rent payment... won't matter! Tomorrow I will be dead, I don't have to settle any contractual agreements before my croaking.

- Relationships with people... feeling guilty for not helping my family more, disagreements I held with people, time I spent focusing on what erks me about someone else... Won't matter! I'll be dead tomorrow. This is time for ME!

- Plans for the future... won't matter, I'll be dead! I don't have a future. I can let go of any details and arrangements I have been making. Time to enjoy myself in the now, baby! I'll be dead tomorrow, it's all good.


So I played with this suicide exercise, and I started feeling my connection to my well-being, that feeling began to come back to me. There is so much freedom in releasing attachment to this physical consistent reality.

Of course, this game is only fun if you are on the verge of killing yourself. Because it doesn't work all that well for people who want to live for a really long time, or at least, in a house. You see, I think once you stop managing your dollars, financial ruin is inevitable. So you really have to be ready, like those people who invested in the stock market in the 1930's, and when the market crashed, they were jumping out of the building windows.


"I wanna go home! I wanna end this journey!" Instead of saying.. I've already paid.. LET'S HAVE FUCKING FUN! :grin:

Let's say I go on a trip to a less civilized country because I want to explore the culture of the people. And this particular week of my visit, there happens to be a civil uprising and bloodshed on the streets. Would you say, "Oh, this is exciting! Let's see how this unfold"? If I was in that situation, I would be like, "I'm getting the fuck out of here!"

If the journey is less exciting, or less enjoyable, or less comfortable than staying home, I'm going home.

[Rodney]

Life is so valuable. Just take account of all the energy that was used to create your physical body...

First, it's not valuable! Life is only valuable when it offers expansion and a leading-edge perspective. When it is stagnant, when the moving forward isn't happening, that is death - not life.

And so, one can be experiencing all this contrast, contrast, contrast. It causes them to launch all this energy of new life into their vibrational escrow. But then, try as they might, they can't move forward! All this new life is in their vibrational escrow, and they can't have any of it. And now that gap has widened, and now they are extremely uncomfortable...


Second, for a non-physical being, creating a physical reality - this world, your body - it did not take the being any effort. Effort, strain, suffering, hardship - those are concepts that only apply to our physical reality. Those concepts rely on the idea of limitation. But a non-physical being does not experience limitation, only we experience limitation. And so, for Source, creation of worlds, that is as easy as breathing in and out.

Source doesn't care what you do with this magical energy that it conjured up for you. And taking this concept a step further, from a non-physical perspective, you can never 'waste' time or energy. Everything adds to the expansion of all-that-is. Suicide adds to the expansion of all-that-is.

[Rodney]

1.- 11:11, you don't have to agree. It's my perspective and it is as valid as yours.

Clearly. I'm using this experience to clarify my thinking. Our exchange is not about deciding a standard of right and wrong on the idea of suicide. I'm more interested in seeing where this will unfold. 3.- Remember, it's all your creation! Why would I create a life/journey that has those things if they are threateanin to me? :rolleyes: It's all you baby! Don't get scared by your creations! don't create Frankensteins if you are afraid of them! You can create cindirellas and tinkerbells instead.

Yeah, umm. The creations are contrast. In other words, I might have created them, but that doesn't mean I want to waddle in their energy. Experience the contrast, and align right out of there.

What we're talking about here is ... I've experienced the contrast, and now that experience has become my dominant vibration. I'm stuck, and I can't get out of there. And so, suicide offers this escape from the prison.
If I was in a country where such things were happening, my writer's curiosity would pop out. Instead of running out..I would think... what would happen if I stay? what things can I learn by witnessing that? Wouldn't it be interesting to see what happens? Why kowtow and run home? IT's adventure what I wanted not a silly safari trip!!! XD But of course.. I LOVE ADVENTURE!

I guess that's where you and I differ, buddy. I would much rather be sipping a sombrero on a beach, as I have my feet massaged by a beautiful woman.

It is SO Interesting that you contradict your notion of death here. For one thing, you say suicide is like the ultimate release.. and on the other hand, you would be afraid of being in a country in the middle of an uprising and bloodsheed!! Well, that would make the job for you, wouldn't it? They would send you right home without your bothering killing yourself!! :D

Suicide is my choice, I can use it to escape contrast.

But if I was in a war-zone situation, and I know that in previous lifetimes - or more accurately, my concurrent lifetimes - I have been in those situations, I get right into it. Grab my weapons and go on killing sprees. But usually that ends in certain death, and it ruins this whole joy and bliss fling I had going for myself.

If I was a Jew in a concentration camp, I would be dead on the first day. I would be like, "fuck, this is nothing like a vacation". Step over the lines near the fences that you're not supposed to step over, and get shot in the head. I really don't like to put up with contrast, my spirit is based on instant gratification and instant relief.

I don't like contrast. I like the new life that is a result of contrast. And if all I'm getting is contrast, but not the result of it... that's not fun, that's not fulfilling. As Abraham would say, "Now that, that's a BUMMER".

Help me understand
Do you use the notion of death so you feel like staying alive!! :rolleyes:
Or do you really consider suicide like a choice?

I use the idea of suicide as a permission slip, so that I can allow myself to release attachment to physical obligations, with the intention that - I have to follow my highest joy! I am so focused on having an exciting and enjoyable experience, that I will wager my physical life to make sure I don't compromise.

[Rodney]

Well 11:11.. in Abe lingo I perceive you as a step 1 step 1 step 1 step 1 step 1 step 1... I may be wrong... anyway why step 3 has to be ending one physical life? I mean... well.. not for me. (Did you see the video?)

Ok.

First, you are no-where near the vicinity of my vibration.

Second, I did watch the video. And it says...

1. Most teenagers are not wanting death, they are wanting to be understood. And so, most of them aren't really wanting a suicide experience. They have become attached to what other people are thinking about them, and it feels so horrible what others are thinking about them, that the only method of relief they can think of is suicide.

And for them, the solution is to release the opinion others have of them, and the effect of control that another's opinion has on them.

2. The intention of suicide is rooted in the wanting for relief. It's never about life or death. It's always about being connected, or being disconnected (In alignment, or out of alignment; In the vortex, or out of the vortex).

And for some, croaking is the next logical step. They are wanting to transition out of this experience, and come back eager and frisky into a fresh perspective.

But as long as this experience is giving them contrast, and it is causing them to ask, then this experience has the potential for new life and expansion. And so, one does not have to die to get into alignment. The experience of relief is available in this physical body.


So, how does this relate to my original post? I already said all of this before. And the question it caused me to ask was...

So I'm experiencing the contrast, and I know that it is causing me to ask for well-being. And I know that - I don't have to croak to experience the relief of death. But no matter what I do, I can't get into the vicinity of that well-being. I want to benefit from this physical reality, I want to benefit from the contrast. I want to live, I want to experience, I want expansion. And so... I want it, but I can't have it!

"I want it, but I can't have it. Now THAT, that's a BUMMER." ~ Abraham


when you can simply make the best of it..

What the shit fuck does that mean anyway - make the best of it? That sounds like something my parents would say to me as a child, "You will do as I say, and you will make the best of it! You are coming with us, and I will MAKE YOU enjoy it!" That statement is such an offense to my divinity.

Let yourself see what your contrast has made for you. You can't see it obviously because you are still one stepping all over the place. Well maybe, I may be wrong. But it really isn't important.

Well actually... You being wrong is quite important to me, Adal. You see, I don't take to your guidance very well. It's not much of a match to me.

And also, what the shit fuck is this one-stepping crap?

I have made myself clear, suicide is just not a choice for me.

Not yet :grin:

[Rodney]

I'm leaving Abetalk to... Skibbington. rofl

[cigi]

Will you guys just stop it!?! You're makin' me miss Andrew.:cry:

Actually, you're all irritating the shit outta me 'cause if he can see this it makes him really happy.

Not cool.

[Rodney]

Will you guys just stop it!?! You're makin' me miss Andrew.:cry:

Actually, you're all irritating the shit outta me 'cause if he can see this it makes him really happy.

Not cool.

We need someone to start channeling Andrew... that would be uber awesome. I bet he's trying to say something from beyond...

[Flo]

If I was a Jew in a concentration camp, I would be dead on the first day. I would be like, "fuck, this is nothing like a vacation". Step over the lines near the fences that you're not supposed to step over, and get shot in the head. I really don't like to put up with contrast, my spirit is based on instant gratification and instant relief.



One of the best books ever written, one which I personally think the whole of abe's teaching is based upon, is Viktor Frankel's Man's Search for Meaning.....it is about the philosophy born out of Frankel's experience in a concentration camp.

In between stimulus and response is a moment to choose, therein lies our freedom.

Carry on....

[Kameroon]

If he really wanted to kill himself he wouldn't be spending time writing posts about it, he would just jump out the window.

[Dance of Joy]

Hey 11:11,

The cool thing is that as you practise being a deliberate creator, over time the contrast gets easier and smaller and much less noxious-seeming. You begin to see it for what it is as soon as it shows up, and you pivot rapidly.

Hang on, babe. The best is really on its way. :heart::joylick:

Love you,
Christine

[Rodney]

Didn't you say this conversation wasn't for the sake of knowing who's right and who's wrong? I thought soo kemosabee!

I was just sharing my thoughts.

I was offended when you went Freudian on my ass and started analyzing my experience.

[Rodney]

One of the best books ever written, one which I personally think the whole of abe's teaching is based upon, is Viktor Frankel's Man's Search for Meaning.....it is about the philosophy born out of Frankel's experience in a concentration camp.

In between stimulus and response is a moment to choose, therein lies our freedom.


I read the Wiki about the book - quite fascinating. I would still kill myself. Especially now that I know, after being imprisoned, follows extreme bitterness and disillusionment.

[Flo]

I read the Wiki about the book - quite fascinating. I would still kill myself. Especially now that I know, after being imprisoned, follows extreme bitterness and disillusionment.

I read the book and read the wiki-pedia.....vastly different. I would hardly recognize the book from that description....just sayin'.

As far as the extreme bitterness and disillusionment, that too is individual and unique.

This is one of the best articles ever written, again IMO. I love what Greenspan says about her dad. It's so very different than abe....but her stuff resonates with me. I am just putting it out there.....in case you (or anyone) feel drawn. Take or leave as you wish. My heart just wants to share something I found so helpful to me.....I realize though, that what one finds good, another may not.

http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/385/through_a_glass_darkly?page=1

[Dance of Joy]

Leah has hit the proverbial nail on its head. Relax into the well being and joy that you ARE. Go quiet your mind. Meditate or occupy your mind in some way that you are no longer stewing. Your vibration will rise slowly. You will get there again.

[Rodney]

Anyways...

This topic has gone off track from where I wanted to take it. I hate when my idea is unfolding somewhere, and then like a bus, it veers off the road and crashes into a bridge.

I was getting a few nibbles on the first page that had me excited, but as we moved to page two, the discussion went further out of alignment with where I wanted to take it. It's frustrating.

[Flo]

11:11,

It's all there on the buffet table of thought....pick what you like, if you don't like it, spit it out, choose again. Be the wind in your own sail.
Threads, like thoughts, respond to the power of your focus.

Reaction or creation....it depends on how you "c" it.

It's all God lessons.
All of it.
Flo :namaste::heart::namaste:

[Rodney]

11:11, babe, you really seem to have SUPER HIGHS and SUPER LOWS. Not much inbetween. Maybe try to find some middle ground so you can stay on a more even keel.

I don't get it. One is either connected, or disconnected; where's the middle ground supposed to be?

But I could understand how you see me as bipolar. After all, I only start a post when I'm sitting on something big. So it would seem like I'm only ever on a super high or a super low. But I assure you, when I am eating, sleeping, and having sex, I'm a pretty chill and relaxed guy.

You are making too much out of this...

Too much out of what? I'm doing great. I didn't start this topic looking for any relief or soothing. I already found it. I started this topic to share, because although it might seem like desperation to some of you, there are those who understand...
The only reason I agreed to take physical form, was with the understanding that I could leave whenever it became too uncomfortable. I would have never taken physical form if, at any point, I had to resign my right to decide when I get to leave. It is my RIGHT!!!


Am I the only one that feels the amazing power of having this guaranteed and unreversible RIGHT?!

[Chamber]

No one is ever disconnected. :rolleyes:

[Rodney]

No one is ever disconnected. :rolleyes:

Makes sense. But one is at times unaligned, or perpetuating ideas of misconception. In other words, there is that gap between the two states of you.

[Chamber]

No one is ever unaligned either.

Merely Distracted.

There is focus of intention....then there is Active Ignorance. Active Ignorance is in itself a form of focus.

You do not walk in the light by cursing the darkness.

Those who walk in the light cast the deepest shadows. The brighter the light....the darker the shadow.

The in-between is a place of non-duality.

[Rodney]

Nope, drawing a blank. These concepts are not strengthened enough for me to understand. And so, you get all of this from... where?

[Chamber]

Good...stay blank then.

:rolleyes:

[MErlin]

Hey 11:11,

They say that before we are born, we decided our own destiny/karma/experience. They say that before we are born, we decided the parents, friends, teachers that we have in order to fulfill this destiny. They say that everything is perfect right now and EXACTLY how it should be.

So basically, what you are saying is that, when you will die one day, you will kick your own ass as in "...WTF was I thinking to attract myself this shitty life?". Well if this is the case then go 'til the end of the line because you are not alone. ;)

Don't want to rub it in your face guys but that's what i'm trying to tell you here. When you buy books, DVDs, watch Youtube videos and websites on Abraham, know ALL that they are teaching and STILL don't seem to get what you want, you have to take a break and start pondering WTF is going wrong here? Why can't I apply this stuff? Why do I KNOW that when I focus on the shitty stuff I attract the shitty stuff and that I SHOULD focus on the good stuff that I want instead but for some reason I can't stop thinking of all this shit around me. WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

Oh and btw, if anyone here ask yourself these questions and find any interesting answer hehe, you know where to find me? ;)

MErlin

[Rodney]

OK, here's where I stand.

Since the age of 16, I have been entertaining this idea of suicide. And whenever any contrast in my life comes up, anything that irks me, I always go to suicide as a relief.

And the story of my life has been... all I'm doing is pushing back this day when I finally kill myself. I'm just using experiences as my excuse not to kill myself. Yea, life is shitty overall, but... you know, this or that, is good enough to keep me around a few more weeks. But my dominant vibration is one of unfulfillment, dissatisfaction, disappointment...

I fucking hate hard work... I fucking hate that anything I want, I can never create it. I'm this useless fucking human. I used to have desires and dreams, even simple ideas, and just fail after fail.

I'm so fucking tired... I don't want to give any more effort to my shitty existence here.

What I really want is to snap my fingers, and have any experience I want. I don't want to be doubting myself all the time. Am I doing something wrong? Am I thinking the wrong thought? It's too fucking confusing... How the fuck is this supposed to be fun, when I doubt myself all the time?

And so, all these years of fucking focusing, clarifying, intentions... and I'm still nowhere? Nothing happening in my life? I'm still a nobody?

There is nothing that connects me to this world anymore. I don't care about these mundane stories people are telling. I'm tired of being limited and not being able to create the reality I want.

I probably will kill myself. Nothing like a fresh perspective. But I'm tired of trying to make THIS work.

[Blissful Creator]

Do whatever you like, 11:11. You cannot get it wrong.

But I think Abraham would say-- "we know you don't like where you are and want to be over "there" instead, and we promise you-- you will be over there, eventually.

"But we wish you would just take smaller steps. Because life is about the process of the unfolding of the manifestation, and if you can do your best to make peace with where you are, you can enjoy the unfolding of what is to come, and there is always more to come-- that is the essence of life."

[Chamber]

I have an 8yr old nephew...almost 9....and he likes to play video games.

And whenever he gets a new game....without fail....he starts playing....gets really really frustrated....and throws a fit cuz he cant figure it out.

So one night in the midst of one of his fits I said "Hey....wanna know the secret to beat any video game?"

He says "Yeah!"

I say "Just take the CD out of the console...and break it."




Some of us play The Game....and some are just wussies and forfeit cuz we think we're weaker than The Game itself.

[Pina Colada]

11:11,what is so bad here you wanna run away from your now?You´re just trying soooo hard...Why not just start living NOW?

:heart:

[Flo]

I have a feeling that Toronto will be a spectacular gathering because of the powerful rockets you are launching.

Ask and it is given.

You are brilliant 11:11....and a powerful focuser. You are learning how to use your powers. You are very aware and still young. I have found that deep frustration always leads me to even more amazing answers. Ideas grow in the darkness....its part of the process.

It's all go(o)d.
Flo :heart:

[Dance of Joy]

I had the same thought, Flo. :grin:

[vineyardnancy]

:joylick:Perfect Chamber!

So one night in the midst of one of his fits I said "Hey....wanna know the secret to beat any video game?"

He says "Yeah!"

I say "Just take the CD out of the console...and break it."

[MErlin]

Listen guys, 11:11 is in his "Yeah but..." phase right now and there is NOTHING we can tell him that will make up change his mind. Why? Because HE KNOWS all this stuff.

He knows about the fact that beating the drum of this shitty life will bring him more of it. He knows that he must focus on positive stuff to change his negative views of life (putting rose instead of black sunglasses).

When somebody smart enters a "Yeah but..." phase, it's either suicide or major breakthrough time because you will say something and he/she will reply "Yeah but...how come I can't do this or that or feel this or that?" and this cat & mouse game goes on and on and on and drives everyone nuts because it goes nowhere. The suicidal doesn't feel better and the one giving advices feel worst because nothing works.

So just like John Gray said and his Mars/Venus book, let's leave 11:11 alone in his cave to think things over and pray that he comes out with a solution.

We can all agree with him. We KNOW that we are divine beings, we know that we know how to manifest everything that we want but can't seem to remember it and for many (myself included) it's a real pain in the ass because sure getting out and back in the vortex is a fun game to play but if all you do is get out of the vortez and rarely come back in it, I can understand why 11:11 and many others are thinking of jumping out of "the game".

In fact, you have to be masochist to incarnate in this human body. The fun-pain ratio is really not worth it unless you are among the few who were happy most of your life but I think it's a minority.

Where I hear people say that when we die, we say "oohhh that was fun, I can't wait to get back in the game" I say BUUUULLLSHHIIIT. Only sick souls say "hey, let's give it a try on earth this time, I heard it's a living hell over there instead of all these other easy planets". It reminds me of Bashar saying that only "Experts soul" can go incarnate on earth because of all the limitations we put on ourselves.

I also remember Bashar answering a question regarding if he slept during the night and he said no. Then he said that dreams are used by humans to connect with their Higher Self/God but he is always in contact with his higher self and God so he doesn't have to sleep. It's pure pleasure, unconditional love, all day long for many 100s of years. :shock:

I guess that when we go through a life like Bashar and then move on to earth after, no wonder so many people want to quit the game.

So am I telling 11:11 to jump the bridge? No. Why? Because of the "Pizza story" :D.

If you eat pizza everyday of the month and then order some more at the beginning of the 2nd month that 2nd pizza will NOT taste good. If you eat the 1st one in 1-2 days and then "eat nothing but peanut butter sandwiches" for the 28 other days, that 2nd pizza will taste like the best thing ever.

So yes it might be fun the live like Bashar, 24hrs party for 500 years but YOU NEED THE CONTRAST to feel alive. In fact many cancer patients said that their diseases were the best thing that could have happened. You HAVE to go low to enjoy how good it feels when you are high.

So you whine about not feeling good. FINE, you are just stretching the rubber band further and further more. So either you explode in orbit or the band breaks and you croak and go join Bashar.

Either way, good things are coming to you soon. Lucky bastard! :facelol:

MErlin

[Dawn]

XDOK, here's where I stand.

Since the age of 16, I have been entertaining this idea of suicide. And whenever any contrast in my life comes up, anything that irks me, I always go to suicide as a relief.

And the story of my life has been... all I'm doing is pushing back this day when I finally kill myself. I'm just using experiences as my excuse not to kill myself. Yea, life is shitty overall, but... you know, this or that, is good enough to keep me around a few more weeks. But my dominant vibration is one of unfulfillment, dissatisfaction, disappointment...


OMG 11:11! This was SO ME! I could have written that word-for-word. Here I am mumble-mumble-years later and my mind still runs that same soundtrack on a loop.

Funny, I was thinking of a question I'd like to ask Abe the other day. Usually, I get answers for these types of questions, but this one... maybe I just don't like the answer I'm getting. :rolleyes: I wanted to ask why, since we choose to enter the physical body at birth and do, can't we leave the body the same way (permanently, I mean, not out-of-body experiences). Why do we have to commit violence on our body when we choose get out of it? Pills, ropes, blood, etc. Why do we have to do that? If we wanted to move, we wouldn't set the house on fire, we'd just move. I realize that the body would die after the soul moved out, but why does it have to die before we can leave?

Just pondering... ^^

[MErlin]

Personally I wasn't givin' advice to him.

Yes so...who said I was talking about you :rolleyes:

Dawn,

Yeah, good point :facelol:

Let me try to answer that one. Hmm, how about that...it's hard to leave our bodies because there wouldn't be anyone here :facelol:. I'm pretty sure many hungry children in afraica would leave after a short while, thousands if not millions of people while recent heartaches would leave also. Soldiers who lost body parts would leave to come back with 2 legs/arms, handicap people would "try it" a few years and say "ok, I get it now, out I go to come back ok in my next life", etc...

I mean come on. Does anyone on this planet never thought of suicide? If you didn't you are one hell of an exception and one lucky dude.

What i'm saying is that the planet wouldn't be the same as the tolerance level would be very low. People would pop out of existence the minute they have their first bumps on the road. What if you mother commited suicide at 15 after being dumped by her "love of her life" or when you father lost a leg at 21 in a car accident?

You see what I mean?

MErlin

[River]

Facebook? Who's gonna need Facebook?

Direct line.

My head is open and ready to be tapped into.

Is yours?

;)

Excuse me while I fall in love with Chamber because of what he utters.

And 11:11, I love you and I refuse to go there where you are taking you. You gotta love yourself and find some things to appreciate now, and keep doing that. You might want to try vibesync-ing with yourself on audio, or somebody else. Kidest, myself and Tika do it and it makes us high on life, no drugs or anything, just amazing stuff.

:heart:shannon


www.vibesync.me

[Dawn]

What if you mother commited suicide at 15 after being dumped by her "love of her life" or when you father lost a leg at 21 in a car accident?
MErlin

Oh, I would have picked another set. (Not that I don't :heart: Mom and Dad. ;)) I would be Dawn Rockefeller (or maybe du Pont). :p

[MErlin]

Oh, I would have picked another set. (Not that I don't :heart: Mom and Dad. ;)) I would be Dawn Rockefeller (or maybe du Pont). :p

:facelol: Love your sense of humour ;)

Adal,

Aaahhhh...shut up will ya. :rolleyes:

MErlin

[Rodney]

When somebody smart enters a "Yeah but..." phase, it's either suicide or major breakthrough time...

:facelol: rofl Yep, you got it.

In fact, you have to be masochist to incarnate in this human body.

Exactly.

Where I hear people say that when we die, we say "oohhh that was fun, I can't wait to get back in the game" I say BUUUULLLSHHIIIT. Only sick souls say "hey, let's give it a try on earth this time, I heard it's a living hell over there instead of all these other easy planets". It reminds me of Bashar saying that only "Experts soul" can go incarnate on earth because of all the limitations we put on ourselves.

Sounds about right.

I guess that when we go through a life like Bashar and then move on to earth after, no wonder so many people want to quit the game.

Precisely.

If you eat pizza everyday of the month and then order some more at the beginning of the 2nd month that 2nd pizza will NOT taste good. If you eat the 1st one in 1-2 days and then "eat nothing but peanut butter sandwiches" for the 28 other days, that 2nd pizza will taste like the best thing ever.

I feel like I've had too much 'earth' lately. I would like some... peanut butter?

So you whine about not feeling good. FINE, you are just stretching the rubber band further and further more. So either you explode in orbit or the band breaks and you croak and go join Bashar.

Most certainly.

Either way, good things are coming to you soon. Lucky bastard! :facelol:

As always... :grin:

Good post, Merlin. I rather enjoyed it.

I wanted to ask why, since we choose to enter the physical body at birth and do, can't we leave the body the same way (permanently, I mean, not out-of-body experiences). Why do we have to commit violence on our body when we choose get out of it? Pills, ropes, blood, etc. Why do we have to do that?

I'll ask Abraham.

[MErlin]

Hey look a that, I made a twisted fuck and a suicidal laugh today.

Not bad for a suicidal twisted fuck (that's me) :joxer:.

MErlin

[MErlin]

Twisted fuck! What a nice tag coming from YOU! :facelol:

Yeaaaaah, I knew you would like ;)

MErlin

[Sapphire]

But what of lesser mortals? In The Bridge Across Forever by Richard Bach, he and his then-wife Leslie practise out-of-body experiences and agree that’s how they’ll go when life ceases to be worthwhile. Naturally, when you've had a few OOBEs and know you can do it any time you like, it's easier to hang on here. Catch-22.


That's my plan too :D I haven't mastered fully controlled OOBEs yet, but I will.

I'm not suicidal - right now I love my life, & I can't imagine leaving my husband & our cats, but if I was alone in the world with no pets depending on me, and for some reason I really really wanted out, I'd do it. I own my life and my body, and it's knowing that I have ultimate control over how long I stay here, and that I'm here by choice, that makes the 'downs' in life bearable.

I don't have any advice for you 11:11, but I know how you feel. Maybe you're on the verge of some kind of breakthrough - I know that my own best insights have often come after a period of feeling very negative & despairing. It'll be interesting to hear what Abe says about this is you ask them. Personally, I don't agree with them when they talk about how we're all so desperate to come here, & that we always want to come back for more. I remember reading a Seth book where he talks about how some people just come here once, decide they don't like it, and then move on to other types of experience after death (in other physical or non-physical environments). His point was that not everyone is well suited to life on Earth, and I agreed, as that's what I've always intuitively felt too (and am not sure I'll be back...).



What i'm saying is that the planet wouldn't be the same as the tolerance level would be very low. People would pop out of existence the minute they have their first bumps on the road. What if you mother commited suicide at 15 after being dumped by her "love of her life" or when you father lost a leg at 21 in a car accident?

Haha, very true - I'd be long gone by now if it was that easy! I'm glad I'm still here though (for now anyway :twisted: ). Actually, that's partly why I like the idea of the 'OOBE suicide' method - if I was feeling like my life was really shitty, I could leave my body, see things from a freer, more detached perspective, and maybe gain more clarity about the issues at hand. Then I could decide whether I really want to leave permanently or not, while the body is still alive. Whereas with conventional violent suicide methods, you don't get that new perspective until the body is already dead. Still, if we can't get it wrong, I guess it doesn't really matter. I'd just prefer to make a life/death decision from a place of connection, rather than disconnection (and that's another thing that occurred to me - not everyone who wants to die is depressed etc - some just want to move on. It's possible to be very happy and still be ready to leave!)

[Mariposa]

DAWN I LOVED YOUR QUESTION/PONDERING!! It was fantastic to me, you know some people die in their sleep, MY KINDA DEATH! XD How about babies who die suddenly? :?: It's like: :confused: WAIT, NO- WRONG PLANET! SORRY U GUYS! :oops:

MERLIN I loved your post absolutely. My dad and I were talking about this last week, what if we were allowed to pop out whenever we say: No, I don't like this, I'm out! Life is so vibrant, abundant and powerful, we are radiantly alive even when we don't want to! XD How amazing is that? :cheers:

The Pizza story is so true and so annoying when you're feeling low though. But, of course, when you are vibrating frustration and lack of sense, you are not a match to the kind of vibration where this is just understood and embraced. Contrast is THAT. I no longer resonate with the concept of contrast that includes desire. I am resonating more with awareness these days. Contrast enables it.

You are so right about the ''yeah... but'' phase. We've all been there and it's just useless. I was there couple of weeks ago, and everybody had the most inspirational uplifting stories and insights to share with me, but nnnneeeeeeewwww I was NOT feeling them. This is why I love the ''let it flow'' thread, it's just for residual emotions, period. Don't bother try to convince me all is well :p which is good that you STILL DOO! ^^

You know what's funny? This feeling you talk about here: '' ...you have to be masochist to incarnate in this human body. The fun-pain ratio is really not worth it... '' IS NECESSARY to be able to appreciate how AMAZING IT FEELS TO BE ALIVE!

Only when you are awareness, can you laugh at this ridiculous fact... But when you are not aware, it's true! It fucking bloooows... :facelol:

I love that idea you mentioned..

"hey, let's give it a try on earth this time, I heard it's a living hell over there instead of all these other easy planets". It reminds me of Bashar saying that only "Experts soul" can go incarnate on earth because of all the limitations we put on ourselves.:facelol: Hilarious yet so interesting to consider... we WANTED A CHALLENGE!!! Like any pro, we were bored of the kinder garden God knows-what-dimension experiences, we were ready for MORE!! We were ready to third-rock-from the-sun and roll!! That's how cool we are... :cool:

[Nightprincessa]

You might want to try vibesync-ing with yourself on audio, or somebody else. Kidest, myself and Tika do it and it makes us high on life, no drugs or anything, just amazing stuff.

www.vibesync.me (http://www.vibesync.me)

YES!!! :grin:

You might want to give it a try 11:11, cuz this technique totally rocks. Like Shannon says, it's amazing!!! :)

Love ya Shannon :heart:

Love ya too, 11:11 :heart:

[ShelleP]

You are so right about the ''yeah... but'' phase. We've all been there and it's just useless. I was there couple of weeks ago, and everybody had the most inspirational uplifting stories and insights to share with me, but nnnneeeeeeewwww I was NOT feeling them. This is why I love the ''let it flow'' thread, it's just for residual emotions, period. Don't bother try to convince me all is well :p which is good that you STILL DOO! ^^

I'm just loving your vibe! It's so great to see you feeling so great!! :heart::heart::heart: I love being witness to all of the up, down, all around expansion here.

Love all of you!!

Mwah :love:

[Rodney]

Merlin, I really resonate with what you said."The world with the most limitation... only for experts."
Who I am... Limitation is the core of my physical body, and it is the core of this three dimensional reality.

And you are right."Either way, good things are coming to you."
Either I die from the stress, or I have a major breakthrough. But the limitation is temporary, it has to pass.


Bringing this idea back to my story."I feel my life is nothing but a prolonging of the wait until the day I finally kill myself. I am just using excuses to keep myself alive for one more day, one more day, one more day... My dominant vibration is one of being unfulfilled, dissatisfaction and disappointment."
So, either way, good things are coming to me. I'll have a major breakthrough, or the stress will kill me. I will explode into a million pieces. And then I will say, "OK, I did my time. Where are my 72 virgins?"

By the way, explosion... That sounds like an exciting way for exiting. See, in Canada, we don't really have access to guns, so suicide isn't as easy as in the states. But explosive... yea, that could work. I guess it would just have to be somewhere isolated so I don't take anyone out with me. rofl

[Chamber]

How about instead of suicide....I just kill you both?

Just an idea...

[Rodney]

How about instead of suicide....I just kill you both?

Just an idea...

How about you just give me a bunch of money instead?

[Chamber]

You'll pass up the Kingdom of Heaven for a few $s?

Yea....you need to die....

[Rodney]

You'll pass up the Kingdom of Heaven for a few $s?

Wrong. I'm not passing it up, I'm delaying it.

Seriously, just give me this bunch of money already.

[Chamber]

Why delay the ultimate prize?

Are you not ready?

[LadyRaine]

This thread rocks in a whole lotta ways...
After a few weeks in the Vortex and loving every single delicious segment of life, it had started to slip over the past week and tonight I was feeling downright desperate. This thread flipped every switch I needed and got my brain hopping!
Thanks so much to everyone who contributed, mainly 11:11, Skibby, and MErlin. You guys *made* this meaningful for me.

[Mariposa]

Mariposa, I really enjoyed reading your post, it was so fresh, so leading edge.

You should start a thread about it, it's got nothing to do with suicide.

:heart:

[Flo]

Byron Katie says:
quote: The only time we suffer is when we believe a thought that argues with what is. When the mind is perfectly clear, what is is what we want...The end of suffering happens in this very moment, whether you're watching a terrorist attack or doing the dishes. And compassion begins at home. Because I don't believe my thoughts, sadness can't exist. That's how I can go to the depths of anyone's suffering, if they invite me, and take them by the hand and walk them out of it into the sunlight of reality...all sadness is a tantrum.



A million paths....Katie is one. Her 4 questions and turn-around have been helpful for me in the past...as well as her radical acceptance of what is. After dropping the oars, releasing judgement of the present moment, we are empowered to create as the well-being that is ours returns, the creative, pro-active life force. Being and becoming.

Judgement freezes things....hardens them, makes them dense, makes them more real.....acceptance is the warmth that melts density and allows for creative, forward-looking transformation. All things change...if we let them.

[Flo]

Cheers, Flo, for posting that mirror-driftwood by Byron Katie. I appreciate it very much.:namaste::love:


Ah, there's that looking glass again ;)....the connection feels quite ah-mazing. :namaste: WTH?
Your thoughts and ideas, born from your experience, are very inspiring. Thanks for putting them out there.

With delight,
Namaste

[Nightprincessa]

What say you to that, Dawn, Nightprincessa, Mariposa, Sapphire, Shannon?

I say :raspberry: :facelol:


hahahaa we're so far out there, so leading, leading edge that we're not one step but several quantum leaps ahead of what is going on... right girls? :p XD :facelol:

Ye, we be crazy. :joylick:

[MErlin]

Merlin, I really resonate with what you said.
"The world with the most limitation... only for experts."

Ok, now before you jump the bridge or be the next deer in my windshield, you need to consider this.

I hope to God that you are not a "twisted fuck soul". WTF is that? Well, it's those people with 5-10 or 25 suicidal attempts. I never met one but I heard that on the news on in newspapers. In other words, that your main destiny IS to think about suicide and fail all your suicidal attempts during your life. iiiiii, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if that's your case. :confused:

The reason why I tell you this is that when I had suicidal thoughts, I always wondered what would happen if I fail the attempt. How shitty I would feel. Just that thought made me think twice before commiting the act.

On a more positive note, Bashar said that it's the last physical incarnation that we will have for the majority of people. We have been both a man and a woman, killer & victim, poor & rich, healthy & sick and that it's time to move on to something else.

Don't want to tell you what to do but despite the present pain, if I were you, I would put it off another 5 years or so just to see if all those spiritual guides and gurus out there are right or not because if they are right, you REALLY don't want to leave this body of yours, there's a kick ass party that's comin.

You see, according to Bashar and many others, we are entering what he calls "The end of the cycle of limitations" by this elevation of vibration and we will be the FIRST generation to be in our physical body but have the same powers as the ones who are dead except that for them, they had to die to gain those powers (instant health/wealth, etc...).

Have you read about OBEs/Astral Travel? I read a book where the person does an OBE and sees his guide which kinda gives him a "tour" of the astral plane and the guide snaps his finger and boom, they are on a beach with a beautiful sunset and another snap and they are in a library where you just touch the book and "download" the information.

In other words, in the Astral Plane, the level of vibration is so high that instant manifestations are easily done by everyone. The difference now is that because of the elevation of frequency we are going through on earth, we will reach the equivalent of living in the Astral plane but WITHOUT having to leave our physical body. How cool is that? :joylick:

If in 5 years we don't see a change and all those "gurus" were just a bunch of crooks to make some $$ on behalf of poor and hopeful humans souls then let me know and we'll both jump the bridge together :facelol:.

I mean I would understand if you were 85 or so but you in your 20s so that's the best age and body shape you want to be when the time stops having an effect on us where just wishing for 2 secs that your cancer goes away AND IT DOES:shock: , now THAT's what I call living. :woohoo:

MErlin

[Rodney]

Well, it's those people with 5-10 or 25 suicidal attempts.

I'm definitely not that retarded. Suicide seems like something I would get right the first time.

...if I were you, I would put it off another 5 years or so just to see if all those spiritual guides and gurus out there are right or not...

I already did wait 5 years. In fact, it has been 6 years. And now I am more sure than ever that I am passed my expiration date.

[Blissful Creator]

Okay, bye 11:11, nice knowing u! Drop by abetalk sometime from nonfizzy if u feel like it.

By the way, how do u plan to go?

[Rodney]

Okay, bye 11:11, nice knowing u! Drop by abetalk sometime from nonfizzy if u feel like it.

Bye! :meditate:

By the way, how do u plan to go?

Kicking and screaming.

With a lot of blood and brains everywhere.

[Blissful Creator]

No seriously, do u have a plan?

[MErlin]

Hey Blissful, what kind of boring Avatar you have there? A chicken next to a wood log?? Care to explain cuz I don't get it.

You should use the photo you have on your profile, you look cute there.

Just my 2 cents.

Yeah 11:11, we want to know all the details, do you have an official photographer that's gonna send us the pics of the blood and brain to confirm that Skibby Doo is our new grand poobah? XD

MErlin

[Blissful Creator]

Lol it's a fluffy chicken!! It looks better upclose. Maybe I'll put up a better pic of the chicken. I can't now, I'm on my iPod.

[cigi]

I'm definitely not that retarded. Suicide seems like something I would get right the first time.




Well even the sui-guru fubarred it the first time. Turns out his "bigger being" didn't wanna go at that moment - or maybe the ol' IB just didn't want poor Grandma to have to find the body.

If you get it right, I wanna know. Have you arranged for a family member (or whoever) to make an announcement? I'd hate for poor Tracy to have to investigate if you disappear.

Details 11:11. Don't forget the details.

[MErlin]

Details 11:11. Don't forget the details.

Aaaaahhh that's so true. Why don't you let us all make you a thorough croaking checklist down to the last details.

After all, what are friends for :facelol:

MErlin

[Blissful Creator]

haha, I think we're all exercising a bit of reverse psychology here... Don't tell 11:11, though.

When I threatened to myself that I'd commit suicide and really "felt" that determination, it actually made me appreciate life more. Cause then I was like, "well, bye flowers. Bye trees. Bye beautiful body. Bye sky, etc."

Made me think of this song. This is how I want every day to feel:

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[MErlin]

haha, I think we're all exercising a bit of reverse psychology here... Don't tell 11:11, though.

Yeah don't worry, I won't tell him.

Nice pic, very cute indeed (yeah I know that's reverse psychology too since a pic a hot girl can only make a man want to stay here a little bit longer but let's hope he doesn't read that).

It's true that Living like you were Dying and especially "Dying in HD" must be something to see indeed ;). 11:11 film your croaking in HD alright? Thanks.

MErlin

[simple soul]

So, ok, I'm nosy....11:11, I've read this whole thread and I'm still not sure what it is you are wanting that you think you cannot have.....nosy and possibly dense.....:facelol:
Jaye

[Blissful Creator]

Nice pic, very cute indeed (yeah I know that's reverse psychology too since a pic a hot girl can only make a man want to stay here a little bit longer but let's hope he doesn't read that).




Yeah, d'ya hear that, 11:11? No hot girls in non-physical. Just a bunch of old guys named Abraham.

[Blissful Creator]

"Do you know, when there is a suicidal person in our chair, do you know how we see them? As the strongest wanting of anyone we have ever seen. So we know that there's a whole bunch in their escrow that they are really far from.

"So, what we usually say to them as they threaten the suicide, we say, 'Pretty darn good idea.' Because when you close that gap, you reemerge back into pure positive energy."

Excerpt from an interaction in San Francisco, CA 10-08-10.

[Sapphire]

What say you to that, Dawn, Nightprincessa, Mariposa, Sapphire, Shannon?

I say :raspberry: :facelol:[/I]
hahahaa we're so far out there, so leading, leading edge that we're not one step but several quantum leaps ahead of what is going on... right girls? :p XD :facelol:

Ye, we be crazy. :joylick:

I'm very used to my posts being 'overlooked' on various forums - I figured I'm not a full vibrational match to most things/people/discussions that are going on around me a long while back. Or maybe I'm just so boring everyone ignores me. Either way, I don't mind :facelol:



The reason why I tell you this is that when I had suicidal thoughts, I always wondered what would happen if I fail the attempt. How shitty I would feel. Just that thought made me think twice before commiting the act.

I read a book about suicide several years ago, which I think was written by a doctor - it was a very detailed account of all (well, most) the different ways people use, including violent methods, various pills and other chemicals etc, as well as more bizarre methods I'd never even have thought of. It explained exactly how they work, how to do it and what can go wrong, and even had pictures (nice! :rolleyes:). It wasn't a pro- or anti-suicide book, just a very objective look at it (I think it had been banned in some countries). Anyhow, the message I got from that book is that it's very difficult to kill yourself successfully - there are so many ways in which each method can go wrong, and if you don't get it right, you'll often end up in lots of pain for the rest of your life, or disabled etc. I guess that's not taking into account a LoA practitioner's intent to kill themselves successfully, but I know it certainly put me off the idea at the time. Which is another reason why I like the sound of the OOBE approach - no pain, mess or general unpleasantness!

[Kameroon]

lol
U know I heard of people trying to suicide themselves by jumping out the window or doing something similar and than just ending up on a wheel chair...
doesn't it sound like a punishment? Because life beats you until you learn appreciation.

In fact, I don't think you can kill yourself if you aren't allowed to.
I don't think you can do it 11:11 even if you wanted to.
I bet if you tried and God actually has other plans for you, the scene would loook pretty much like you trying to jump and something would like hold you in the friking air
or as I said you could fall down and still not kill yourself, but really disable your perfectly healthy body and
than you wouldn't even be able to finish yourself. haha. that is some niiice shit huh?
Or someone would stop you from jumping, some neighbor that hates you would come over just at that time....

It's so annoying to listen to someone that loves being a smart ass and keeps beating it down there, for fuck sake go and kill yourself if your life means nothing to you.
Do you think anyone would cry or care? No, they cry for a month maybe and than your're forgotten. ahahhahah Because you are nothing, a piece of human crap with a soul that isn't in much use....
But, this piece of crap knows a lot about how life works so use it and make the best of it.


You all say we are all creators of our own reality, I say.... hmm.. to a certain extent.
Your life is yours, but is not really YOURS. It's pre-planned, so you might aswell take a chill pill and let the boat flow like it has to. We would be far greater, far richer and far more powerful if we would let us lead by a true God, not our minds.


Ok so, another question..
I have seen you have avoided me pretty well 11:11, in this thread since I never gave you
an agree comment cause I do not and I still can't believe someone would just cheer suicide here.
Don't you feel that nod in your stomach just as you mention suicide? And yeah, you don't because for some reason your feelings got all retarded by your mind.


The question is... where do you grow all of this crap from?



And I'll probably regret writing this since is just more fuel for your ego.


But, as I said before if you wanted to kill yourself you wouldn't be writing about it.
You would just do it. Just leave me something when you do it, something that can be useful... or maybe
go buy a lottery ticket and send it to me before suicide cause I know once you release all this bullshit......

[Flo]

Not freedom from experience, but freedom from tension.
Not freedom from the body, but freedom from resistance.

I have been drawn to 4 -leaf clovers....and after watching Kidest's awesome Catherine Ponder you tube meditation, I noticed this 4 leaf clover....hmm, I should check it out.

I listened and thought of this thread....and noted that this video was just posted on 9/19/09.

Very interesting....another dish on the buffet table.

YouTube- Abraham Hicks (To have more out of body experiences)

[Mariposa]

Okay, bye 11:11, nice knowing u! Drop by abetalk sometime from nonfizzy if u feel like it.

By the way, how do u plan to go?


Kicking and screaming.

With a lot of blood and brains everywhere.

Now that right there is somebody who wants to live.

[Mariposa]

Adal :D I too thought Mury's post was hilarious, xcept a lil harsh... XD well, the whole suicide topic is kinda.. :confused: pero es verdad ¿de dónde scaremos tanta mierda? ¡de la cabeza! :hilarious:the lottery ticket comment! :facelol: so right on!

[River]

Yeah, 11:11, Let's raise the vibe here. Let's stop talking and thinking about suicide. If it feels good, you can always go back to that, your choice. But what feels good, 11:11? What are you looking forward to? Or would you be if you felt a teeny bit better? Or maybe you looked forward to when you did feel better, and I know you did because I read your posts?

Love? What is that feeling like?
Can you love yourself a little more today? How about a whole lot? Can you see your greatness yet? Source does and you are source so get over it.


Adventure? Travel? Where do you want to go?
Who do you want to do it with?

Accomplishment? Creation? I know you have some of that from making our community forum. What else do you have up your sleeve that you are dreaming up? Just reminding you. What about computer related stuff?
What would be fun? What do you want to create in this world and put your fingerprint signature on? Besides and beyond Abetalk?

What sort of conversations do you want to be having?

What sort of places do you want to live and experience?

What sort of dreams are in there that just need a little more imagining and gestating? What feels good?

What feels good right now, 11:11? Anything you can appreciate, like the taste of chocolate or that somebody smiled at you? Or maybe that the trees are turning pretty colors in Autumn in Canada?

Just let yourself be guided to what feels good, babe. Just let go of the illusion of suffering because it is just that. See through it and I know you do much fo the time.

So much love:heart::heart::heart::heart:
shannon

[MErlin]

lol
U know I heard of people trying to suicide themselves by jumping out the window or doing something similar and than just ending up on a wheel chair...

Yeah exactly. That's what I was talking about to 11:11 that I hope he doesn't have a "twisted fuck soul" because he's the one in charge of your life. Bashar once said that the soul is like the center of the hand and the fingers are human beings, each one with a different experience than you to live and if you soul decided that you will have one hell of shitty life on earth (you don't remember it but your soul does) the higher self (being between your soul and your physical body) will make SURE that you will GO THOUGH that experience.

You can try jumping and end up with broken legs like Kameroon said, hang yourself and still have just enough air passing through to not have brain damage when people find you, take pills and then puke them back before they kill ya, I even saw a guy on tv who shot himself in the head and the guy not only lived but when he saw that half his face was gone he felt bad and didn't try again?? I mean wtf?? Finish the job for Chris sake. :shock:

Anyway, you get the idea. When it's not your time, it's REALLY not your time and what scares me is the "after suicidal attempt" part. If you are "lucky" you end up dead but if you are not oh my, don't want to be in your shoes.

And btw 11:11, not trying to scare you away from it, i'm sure if you are committed you will find a way. I just pray that everything goes smoothly for ya because we will see ya in the "Let It Flow" section for the rest of your life otherwise.:facelol:

MErlin

[simple soul]

Oh-ho, I finally get it.....Duh....duh...duh...I read the thread title.....duh.....freedom from tension.....:hilarious:well, here's the good news - dumbasses abound!! oh yeah and I'm one of them.....:rolleyes:

Wish I had some wise words, but 11:11, sweetie, I already declared myself a dumbass! What can I say? duh...duh-huh....duh...Am I taking up too much space with the duhs? Is anyone paying attention?

Jaye