To desire or not to desire

[Key]

I diden't write this but i find it a little bit interesting so here it goes


By: stockstalker (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=30721)

Physical/Material World = Refresher Course?

"You know how engineers have to take a refresher course if they are out of a job for 6 months? What if the physical/material world/reality is really just a big training ground, or a refresher course, if you will. But, a refresher course in what? I think that's why we're here -- to figure out what exactly it is we're being refreshed of? That's the BIG question, which is why at least once in our lifetime, we think that we are seeking the meaning of life, but really we're just trying to figure out what I wrote earlier above about this world being a refresher course in ___________?.

My take on this is that there is no doubt that "God" exists. The YouTube- The Double Slit Experiment: Part 6 of 8 proved that if we try to "control" the world by choosing to know which slit the electron goes thru, 100% of the time, we get a probability/particle pattern on the film at the back. But should we "give up" control, by choosing not to know, 100% of the time, we get an improbability/wave function pattern on the film at the back. I think it's God's way of mocking us by saying that "you will never know how the electron produced the improbable wave-function pattern b/c only I know. hhehe!" http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

Anyways, I think that we are all parts of "God" b/c we are all consciousness. As consciousness and parts of "God", we all reside on the improbable plane (as explained above), until we choose to participate in this world. When that happens we descend onto the probable plane by collapsing the wavefunctions all around us with our observation. But then, this become a point of no return. After this fact, there is no way of returning back to the improbable plane -- the all-knowning plane, unless we are willing to "give up" control. But, what is "control" but the mere desires of mortals (the experimenter, who decides to "give up" his desire to know, is the experimenter, who will receive a wave-function pattern on the film at the back). The point at which we "give up" control, or all of our earthly desires is when we depart from our physical body, as in near-death experiences, or death itself (ie. you lose all your earthly desires if your consciousness leaves your earthly body b/c after all, how can you desire, but thru your body). It is at this point that we return to become one with "God" on the improbable plane.

So, you see, the more materialistic we become (and this includes desiring women, or lusting for "flesh", relationships etc., with the latter being a mere human invented concept), the more trapped we are on the probability plane. Why? Because the more we have, the more we desire -- which leads to an even greater empty feeling everytime, because the feeling of "have-not" simply doesn't exist on the improbable plane b/c matter does not exist there, whereas if we try to fill this "have-not" feeling on the probable plane with materialism, we will only make the situation worse, as Oprah has succinctly demonstrated -- she has said that she feels as insecure as ever, even with all her wealth and fortune! (Not to put Oprah, or anyone in particular, in the spotlight, of course!)

We are/were most happy, when we are/were on the improbable plane, b/c we did not need anything that is made up of matter. After we descend on the probable plane, we chase after the happiness we'd lost by pursuing all things materials, but it only makes the situation worse. When we die and return to our improbable plane, we regain our true happiness and appreciate it all the more. Therein lies my version of the reason why this material/physical world/reality exists -- to refresh ourselves of what true happiness is.

It cannot be denied that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Power only corrupts if we "desire". Therein lies the keyword, "desire". Reality exists so that we learn "not to desire". So in a sense, I think that this world was created so we, as parts of "God", can renew our "virtues" of not having any desires, because as parts of "God", we are power itself. The lessons that this world has to teach us (mainly desire = suffering) are there to uncorrupt us and help us maintain a handle on our power as parts of "God" without abusing this power.

Of course, another reason why this world exists is to remind ourselves of what love is: to love the world, by loving ourselves first, and showing compassion to all living things around us, in addition to minimizing our earthly desires!

So, what do you think? What are some of your thoughts on why this world/reality exists?"

Source: Taken from http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71383 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71383)

[Rodney]

It's leaning in the right direction, but there are some aspects of misconception in his writing. And I also think there is a strong religious undertone to his thinking that is absolutely nauseating.

For a more sensical system of understanding about the relationship between the limited being (human) and infinite being (god), I suggest you take a look into Busting Loose From the Money Game (http://tinyurl.com/m5regd).

[Mariposa]

Hi Key! :wave:

Thanks for sharing the post.


I get where he's coming from, but I rather use Abraham's word: contrast. Contrast is the key! I also like seeing it as energy flow. When energy moves we can appreciate it, or it can appreciate itself, through consciousness, which is also energy flow. When I see life as this amazing dance, this movement, both harmonious and caotic, it feels wonderful. As for desiring, I get his point. But I'd like to state it is okay to desire. What makes one feel bad though, is when we don't align with desires or we allow the lack of what we want to take our energy from us, in other words, when we resist the natural flow of life by focusing too much on desires that haven't been manifested yet. It is when we become identified with desires, that we suffer... I like ''the improbable plane'' idea...

Anyways, I think that we are all parts of "God" b/c we are all consciousness. As consciousness and parts of "God", we all reside on the improbable plane (as explained above), until we choose to participate in this world. When that happens we descend onto the probable plane by collapsing the wavefunctions all around us with our observation. But then, this become a point of no return. After this fact, there is no way of returning back to the improbable plane -- the all-knowning plane, unless we are willing to "give up" control. But, what is "control" but the mere desires of mortals (the experimenter, who decides to "give up" his desire to know, is the experimenter, who will receive a wave-function pattern on the film at the back). The point at which we "give up" control, or all of our earthly desires is when we depart from our physical body, as in near-death experiences, or death itself (ie. you lose all your earthly desires if your consciousness leaves yourIt is at this point that we return to become one with "God" on the improbable plane. earthly body b/c after all, how can you desire, but thru your body). I consider death to be unnecessary to return to God. It's exactly what we are here about: to allow God to be experienced, to allow Consciousness to play with contrast. If God is not here, then what's the purpose? God is Who we are, God is What we are, God is Where we are, where we come from, what we are made of. The game is the contrast. The most joyful moment is when we bring the Divine to Earth. Life is not a means to feel good when we die! :) It's exactly the other way round: Life is a means for The Divine to Be, and non-life is necessary for Life. It is the Natural Flow, it is the Natural Stream if Life to Celebrate Life, I can feel it so.

Now Boys... Sometimes we eat something, and our stomach cannot digest it, we have to let it out. But it is when we throw it up that it looks its worst. Throwing up is what is disgusting, not the food we might have eaten before puking. It is what we do with it, not it. We have awesome organs in our bodies that were perfectly designed to take care of assimilating what is nutritious, and let what's not flow through... ^^

:heart:Namaste.:namaste: