MJ and energy musings [Archive]

Flo

Fri Jun 26 2009, 8:15am

Dr Barlett made a point to point out his Matrix Energetics pendant that he uses to protect himself from "energies" as the face of ME...he compared himself to a statue in a park with pigeons flying all around...you are bound to get sh*t on....so the pendant creates a field of protection energetically.

When Susan Boyle landed in a psych ward after Britian's Got Talent, I wondered if it was the effect of a quantuum leap in energy, being exposed to a whole wide world....with the new technology, like you tube, that sort of thing has never really happened to a human.

MJ was the first star of the video/tech age....he reached his height of fame and glory, like no other celebrity, and then morphed into a very different being, so to speak.

I'll throw Britney Spears story in here too....and Madonna seems to have been grounded with her yoga and Kabbalah.

So I am just wondering, how vibration and energy and world-wide, mass exposure may be a factor....and it's effect on creative artists, who are human beings exposed to an innundation of global energy.

Any thoughts? ....MJ's story has always saddened me a little, as I watched his face distort thru the years. But looking thru an energetic lens, actually this makes him a pioneer, not only of music, but in managing a quantuum leap in energy. Hmm.....???

Flo

AttractionFactor

Fri Jun 26 2009, 8:51am

So I am just wondering, how vibration and energy and world-wide, mass exposure may be a factor....and it's effect on creative artists, who are human beings exposed to an innundation of global energy.

I think it's more about handling the vibration and energy you get for being
perceived as a world wide icon.

The Abraham teachings refer this as "keeping up with your stream." If you
don't keep up with your stream, you get beat up by the flow. And the
flow is actually the flow of life.

Michael Jackson had a lot of issues that he never let go of, such as his belief he
never had a proper childhood, and holding grievances against his father on how he was raised. He discussed them and focused on these injustices throughout his
whole life and openly discussed them in interviews.

The problem when you hold on to grievances (like the ones Michael Jackson had)
is that it slows down the current of life from living through you. The Abraham
teachings refer to this as "resistance," and they liken it to clinging on to the
boulders of the stream, where the stream begins to beat you up.

If you were to let go of the grievances, or resistance, you could let the stream
carry you, instead of beating you up. Michael Jackson had an incredible stream
developed at a young age. He had global wide fame, astronomical wealth, world
wide musical recognition, and a passion for a musical career that gave him so
much joy.

But he could not handle his own stream in order to fullfill his desire to maintain it.
Throughout the last fifteen and twenty years of his life, he had many health
problems, because his body could not handle the energy he was asking for, since
his thoughts were out of alignment to balance it.

Michael Jackson seemed to have developed the theory that the proper childhood
is a factor in growing up normal. I don't buy that theory. I think it's how we learn
to cope with life by how we perceive our reality. He often perceived himself as a
victim, and never let go of that thought, and in later part of his life, this affected
his creative output.

He never replicated the body of work he had in his teens and twenties, when he
wasn't so much focused on being a victim but just enjoying the fame and music
that he was creating. Getting older, though, he couldn't handle it, and eventually
he just couldn't handle living.

However not to shadow the legacy of Michael Jackson. He had his ups and downs, but I will always be an admirer of his body of work. He has definitely impacted me
where I have so many memories of his wonderful music and how it has played
throughout the course of my life.

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 12:32pm

[quote=AttractionFactor;54383]So I am just wondering, how vibration and energy and world-wide, mass exposure may be a factor....and it's effect on creative artists, who are human beings exposed to an innundation of global energy.

I think it's more about handling the vibration and energy you get for being
perceived as a world wide icon.

The Abraham teachings refer this as "keeping up with your stream." If you
don't keep up with your stream, you get beat up by the flow. And the
flow is actually the flow of life.

[quote]

Great observation Steve. His life does appear to be an example of hitting a tree at 500 MPH and doing a lot of damage to his face.

I saw an interview with Deepak Chopra on CNN last evening where he spoke of his relationship to Michael and his time at Deepak's Wellness Center. He, meaning Deepak, was very concerned about MJ's drug addiction...that reaches far into the Hollywood landscape as doctors sell prescriptions like candy. I have never seen the Chopra so angry...well, angry for him. In today's New York Post, there is a list of the "King of Pain"'s drug regimen...so tragic.

There is something so sad about MJ's life and legacy, something that just does not make sense...for me, it colors his music. To me, musicians are our modern day poets...his music and his life just don't match.

One thing I know for sure, it makes me appreciate John Lennon and Oprah Winfrey even more. They grounded their outrageous success and world-wide fame into a larger message, a larger Self.

Abraham has spoken recently about being "weird and proud"...I am glad that they insist on being weird and proud and feeling good...without the use of major drugs.

Flo

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 12:51pm

Coming back to add, that I personally want it to be an energetic/vibration thing, something that can be managed, so people don't fall apart in this age of technology, where things are instant and there is no longer a buffer a time. I want the next Susan Boyle to enjoy her instant global success without needing to land in a psych ward.

Just wondering if Michael's life has anything to teach us...energetically speaking.

Flo

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Nightprincessa

Sat Jun 27 2009, 3:46pm

From my perspective there wasn't anything "wrong" with his life, he was where he was supposed to be according to his soul's intentions. His life was perfect just as it was.

He came to do exactly as he did and departed when he was done with it!

He is an amazing and wonderful being! :heart:

Namasté Michael. :namaste: :heart:

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 4:07pm

From my perspective there wasn't anything "wrong" with his life, he was where he was supposed to be according to his soul's intentions. :heart:

I want to be there where you are, as I do sense I am judging....but he was in so much pain....and whenever I see what he did to his face, it saddens me....and whenever I hear stories about the child molestation ...it saddens me....and whenever I see that video of him dangling his baby over the balcony...it saddenes me.

I am willing to release my resistance/judgement, but I am not seeing the path.

I am not in mourning with the world....I am with abe on this....I think he finally embraced his relief.

In Lisa Marie's blog, she wrote that he predicted to her that his life would end as her father's had....she did what she could to alter that course....but it does seem that is the path he choose. Reading her blog, actually brought me some relief....it does seem like he choose it.

I like choice.

Flo

Pina Colada

Sat Jun 27 2009, 4:18pm

I want the next Susan Boyle to enjoy her instant global success without needing to land in a psych ward.

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What??When did that happen?Now that sucks.

I had no idea since I never watch the news...

Nightprincessa

Sat Jun 27 2009, 4:31pm

I want to be there where you are, as I do sense I am judging....but he was in so much pain....and whenever I see what he did to his face, it saddens me....and whenever I hear stories about the child molestation ...it saddens me....and whenever I see that video of him dangling his baby over the balcony...it saddenes me.

It seems to me that this was the life his soul chose. And the truth is that no one knows if he was in pain or not except him... people judge according to their perspectives and assume that it is the truth... and well, it is in their perspective, but it really has nothing to do with him and his intentions.

The charges were never proved, but regardless... just as someone's life seems to be perfect because they are living what most people regard as the ideal doesn't mean another person's life, just because it is "different" is less perfect... if we all had the same exact life then it would mean we are not free and unlimited, and this world would be soooo boring because we would all be like robots with nothing new and exciting to expect or desire.

Choices are awesome because that is why we are here for! :namaste:

Love :heart:

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 5:59pm

It seems to me that this was the life his soul chose. And the truth is that no one knows if he was in pain or not except him... people judge according to their perspectives and assume that it is the truth...

:heart:

Jackson's Daily Cocktail (according to the New York Post)

Demerol 3x's a day
Dilaudid 3 mg daily
Vidocin once daily
Xanax twice daily
Vistaril 3x's a day
Zoloft
Paxil

That's a heck of a lot of pain medication, anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs.

I think taking all those drugs is admitting he was in pain.

Since posting, I do realize that I am not judging Michael. I do think he is free to choose happiness or not, free to choose to be black or white, free to invite little boys into his bed while their moms are chauffered to spa treatments or not, free to use drugs or not.

What I am judging is a mass media and mass culture that made him more than just a very talented human being with choices, like the rest of us....the media and culture that claimed him King....and then documented in great detail his descent from the throne.

It does remind me once again, no matter the fame or the money or the talent, we are all the same.

It seems to me that this was the life his soul chose.

Yes, just like any of us, and all of us, it's a journey...and "it don't matter if you're black or white."

Ah, now I feel better.

Flo

Nightprincessa

Sat Jun 27 2009, 6:08pm

Jackson's Daily Cocktail (according to the New York Post)

Demerol 3x's a day
Dilaudid 3 mg daily
Vidocin once daily
Xanax twice daily
Vistaril 3x's a day
Zoloft
Paxil

That's a heck of a lot of pain medication, anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs.

I think taking all those drugs is admitting he was in pain.

Just wanted to add that this cocktail doesn't mean anything - it doesn't mean that he was in pain or unhappy. I happen to have a member in my family who is utterly happy taking so many medications - he really loves showing off all these prescribed medications (much more than the list above) he has... he actually gets mad when the doctors don't give him a new med, and I might add, he is already 80 yrs old and has been taking medication for like 40 yrs... and he is a very funny guy too!!! He just loves his meds!!! :p

So taking meds doesn't always mean pain or unhappiness... it just means you love meds! :joylick:

Again, choices and preferences... whatever makes anyone happy! :heart:

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 6:15pm

i think it's icky to look at people's lives and believe they could have given more and been better off if they hadn't drank or used drugs or gambled or molested fan-boys or etc etc.

I think this is a case of judging the judger....or felling icky about someone feeling icky...same difference.

there is no basic reality that anyone is supposed to measure up to. there are simply no successful or unsuccessful lives. there are just lives, existences, mortal experiences.

I like this Alex....yep, that's right. No pedestals, no kings, no thrones.

there is only one energy: yours.
i'm sorry, but no one can give you energy nor take a speck from you.

We see things differently.

a zillion people could sing hate songs about you in unison and you could stand in front of them and find thoughts that make you laugh or smile.

Yes, but there is a deliberate intent that is necessary (or at least a really cool and shiny ME pendant like Barlett wears.)

a zillion people could wish cancer for you and it could not do a thing to you unless you believed it could, and if a zillion, why not just one?

We agree....beliefs create.

there's nothing to improve other than your habit of finding excuses to feel relieved and happy.

That's your belief.....that's abe's belief...that's interesting.

i say these things as if they are meaningful and yet i have an unopened bottle of Lowenbrau crammed completely up my ass as i write these words.

That's your problem.....that's not my problem...that's very interesting.

does that change anything
:rolleyes:

Does anyone else's opinion ever change anyone else's opinion? :cool:

Flo

Nightprincessa

Sat Jun 27 2009, 6:21pm

Does anyone else's opinion ever change anyone else's opinion? :cool:

Flo

Exactly!

LOL... I also have to add that those ppl who put Michael up there on a throne have the right to do so as well if they so desire. I, for one, feel love for him and see him as an amazing being - I do love to acknowledge his talent and bask in it cuz to me he is an extension of me - so really, in loving him I am just projecting my love for myself! :heart:

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 6:32pm

So taking meds doesn't always mean pain or unhappiness... it just means you love meds! :joylick:

Again, choices and preferences... whatever makes anyone happy! :heart:

True, true, true. Follow your bliss.

Whatever makes anyone happy....and if that takes an outrageous combination of presciption drugs, so be it. It's all about vibration anyway...or so I've heard. :cool:

Flo

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 6:48pm

Exactly!

I, for one, feel love for him and see him as an amazing being - I do love to acknowledge his talent and bask in it :heart:

He was an amazing talent....he brought a lot of high energy, passion and joy to alot of people for alot of years.

I loved the scene in his last press conference when the people cheered and applauded wildly....and he said, " I love you. I really do." It was very touching.

Flo

Flo

Sat Jun 27 2009, 7:30pm

Back to Flo's original post.... I think she is on to something... all that public attention, the most famous person in the world... if you are not grounded with personal beliefs, the global consciousness could affect you.

Thanks for bringing it around to my original intention....

MJ's story has always saddened me a little, as I watched his face distort thru the years. But looking thru an energetic lens, actually this makes him a pioneer, not only of music, but in managing a quantuum leap in energy. Hmm.....???

The addiction and distortion just was so unique, so bizarre, like nothing ever before....the elephant man bones, the hyperbaric sleep chamber, the DaVince replica of the last Supper over his bed, with him as Jesus and Lincoln and Disney and Einstein as his disciples.....yet his life, his fame, his exposure was like nothing ever before.

Hearing Deepak's frustration on CNN spurred this line of thinking, as he seemed totally perplexed that he was not able to help. It made it all seem bigger that a "victim" mentality and a abused childhood....it "felt" to me that noone has ever walked in Michael's shoes, energetically speaking, no one human being exposed as he was exposed, rooting the lonliness so deeply within him that it was real and untouchable.

Well, we shall never know....it is just how it "felt" to me....and I know, it is all a story, it's all made up anyway...so I might as well just make up a better feeling story.

I am choosing to celebrate his music, his videos, the joy he gave millions....and trusting that as the new ones are born, they are cable ready.
Flo

:heart: I am glad to see your post Leah!

Flo

Sun Jun 28 2009, 7:52am

Alex,

I wrote

Well, we shall never know....it is just how it "felt" to me....and I know, it is all a story, it's all made up anyway...so I might as well just make up a better feeling story.

Soon after I wrote this, I turned on CNN and they were reporting about the world-wide parties that are erupting all over the globe to celebrate Michael Jackson and his music.

That's why he's famous. That's why I even know him. That's my focus. He does have an amazing collection of music spanning my whole life-time. I am joining the party.

It's as easy as 1-2-3! ( I had forgotten momentarily :joylick:)

We are the World!
:heart:Flo

Deva

Sun Jun 28 2009, 8:40am

Jackson's Daily Cocktail (according to the New York Post)

Demerol 3x's a day
Dilaudid 3 mg daily
Vidocin once daily
Xanax twice daily
Vistaril 3x's a day
Zoloft
Paxil

That's a heck of a lot of pain medication, anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs.

This is what I find so interesting. He had all that money, but was still so LONELY... and he did know an altering core of belief... he spent a lot of time with Deepak... they meditated together, he spent a week at his home. There was a part of him that was reaching out for help and another part that couldn't control the drug addiction...

Flo, thank you so much for this thread! I must admit while I knew MJ was not healthy emotionaly & mentally I have an immense curiosity to what made him suffer so. Deepaks insight has been the most helpful for me to understand what happened to him

As far as I can tell Micheal was running away from his pain

That never works

It just gets worse and worse and no matter what you take it doesnt ease the pain. When I had a nervous breakdown in my younger years a psychiatrist prescribed me sleeping medication and anti-depressants and I took them for a few weeks but I remember I had the strongest instincts to get off them as soon as possible. Eventually I just stopped taking them against his advice and started going to natural health doctors - taking natural supplements like St Johns Wort and Valerian to sleep. I chased healing through natural therapies for a few years until I discovered that no matter if its chemicals man made or naturally occuring.. it can't help me turn my mental state around. It was then I started learning affirmations and subliminal recordings and eventually discovered the secret which was a major breakthrough in me discovering how to steer the ship of my mind so it didnt torment me so.

Its amazing the life paths we are on. I somewhat agree with Martha when she said he must have chosen this incoming he knew the abuse he would face and the fame, he is an example to us all to find that inner peace that inner joy and to know that no amount of money, drugs or fame can ease pain.

I appreciate this FRANK thread and this frank discussion by Deepak and you all beautiful souls.. putting this into perspective with what I know know is so healing

:heart::heart::heart::heart:

YouTube- Deepak Chopra Interview Re: Michael Jackson's Death

Flo

Sun Jun 28 2009, 9:08am

:heart:Thanks Deva for that compassionate interview..it was very meaningful for me. I loved the end, where Deepak speaks of his brother....I feel his great Love. It also reassures me somehow to know that Michael made his choices. Thanks for sharing a piece of your story too. It is a beacon of hope/light for others who want to make a different choice. :namaste:

:heart:Thanks Sierra for that crazy video....I love the outfits. Thanks also for the embedding instructions...Adal walked me thru it on the Iran thread....turns out it was as easy as A-B-C!

"Let me fill your heart with joy and laughter",
:heart:Flo

Deva

Sun Jun 28 2009, 9:25am

Thanks Love, and there is something to be said for 'moving on'. If Micheal kept replaying the pain and abuse of his younger years and holding onto it instead of letting it go he would have felt as if he could not escape it

Its amazing how much emotional healing is neccessary. Well just letting go and moving on really.

Maybe he never grew up?

Maybe the wounded child just lived on and on inspired to the highest form of creative brilliance and art - and love but also vengance and distrust and shame..

Lots to learn from this

I am sure that if you can look at this in a certain way, Micheal is really a teacher for us :)

+ As he matured he didn't realise that he was now the source of love & light and healing. He kept looking for it outside of himself, in the love of children, in building an amusement park at his home, In doing concerts in front of adoring fans. But he forgot where the steadiest source of love comes from: Within.

Flo

Sun Jun 28 2009, 1:48pm

I am thrilled that this was how his last interview unfolded....where there is Love, I'll be there. Unconditional Love just feels so good to give, receive and witness.

YouTube- michael jackson's press conference

:love: Flo

Flo

Sun Jun 28 2009, 1:59pm

but what does it matter if he forgot that the steadiest source of love comes from within?

do you really think his soul forgot?

.:downstream1:

Very,very nice point, Alex. You had me at hello. To me, that says everything that needs to said.

Oh, besides this....

Cmon and groove, and let the madness in the music get to you
Life aint so bad at all
If you live it off the wall
Life aint so bad at all (live life off the wall)
Live your life off the wall (live it off the wall)

Do what you want to do
There aint no rules its up to you (aint no rules its all up to you)
Its time to come alive
And party on right through the night (all right)

Party on,
Flo

Flo

Sun Jun 28 2009, 8:41pm

I am curious Alex, how do you express your well-being?

I do agree that Well-Being IS, yet for me, the rituals, the symbols, the 2-pointing, the pendants, the charms, the chants, the music, the dancing, the story-telling, the naval-gazing, the prayer, the mandallas, the tarot are all ways that the Well-Being is expressed, manifested....it is the dance, it is the dance of Well-Being in an interactive and Living Universe.

All of it is expression of Well-Being that is in-dwelling and all around....it makes the invisible, visible, the unseen, seen. It seems colorless without the expression, the creativity, the artistry.

Most of all it's fun....and feels good. Some people have their Demerol to enhance their well-being, I enjoy the magical, the mystical and the miraculous.

I find a lot of joy living in an interactive Living Matrix. That's my bliss. :joylick:

Flo

AttractionFactor

Sun Jun 28 2009, 9:08pm

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Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!
You know Im bad, Im bad-you know it
(bad bad-really, really bad)
You know Im bad-you know-hoo!
(bad bad-really, really bad)

Who's bad!

AttractionFactor

Sun Jun 28 2009, 9:16pm

Cause WE'RE LIKE TOTALLY THE http://www.impaktcreative.com/graphics/logos/hot_tamale.jpg

Owwwwwwwwwwww!

http://media.bigoo.ws/content/gif/music/music_71.gif

Are you OK? Are you OK ANNIE?

(You've Been Hit By)
(You've Been Struck By -
A Smooth Criminal)

Okay, I Want Everybody To Clear The Area Right Now!

cigi

Sun Jun 28 2009, 11:07pm

Yea, it's a given that it's cool to use whatever charms and hocus-pocus hand gestures you want to help you believe in well-being, but such charms are still a sign of insecurity and lack of trust.

<BIGGEST snip EVER>

And yes, yes, a thousand times yes, whatever gets you through the night, it's alright! Charm away. Chant away. Stir the boiling pot of steaming goo and say hippity-dippity-do!

See AlexT? We all get to have our unique perspectives. HOORAY!

Just as you consider a 2 point to be a sign of "insecurity", I consider being overly verbose the same thing.

Ain't it funny how things look different on either side of the pond?

Cool.^^

cigi

Mon Jun 29 2009, 12:08am

OMG!
:facelol::facelol::facelol::facelol:
Everytime I read something like this from you, I have a reaction like Michael Jackson's audience to his every move...

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20050706elpepudep_26/XLCO/Ies/Euforia_britanica.jpg

heeheee! Adal - I heart you!:love::love:

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 6:20am

Well,
If we are to be coherent--- and everything is a creation of one's consciousness, I do NOT understand why people keep on saying things such as "Outside", "from outside"... "from within".. there is no separation... RIGHT?

so things like "This comes from within"... "this comes from the outside"...that's bogus... Everything comes from WITHIN!!!!

this illusion and everything it carries, from partricular perspective is all about WITHIN... "outside" is one more illusion to play with.,

If I am creator of my own reality it is obvious that no matter what I create and how it seems, COMES FROM WITHIN.

Name it, magic wands, super man, Jesus Christ, 2 pointing, matrix energetics, prayers, Abraham, Zach... money, games, love, sex... for me nothing is OUTSIDE self...
evertything comes from within!!!!

For me, it all depend's on what you define as "One's Consciousness", "one's self/Self"......am I inside or outside of you? is the yellow hummer? is Neda?

I've seen this question pop up on the forum before and I would love to hear your point-of-view.

For me, there is a within/without....connected, inter-dependent, One, inclusive...but seperate, with edges, boundaries....living independent energies with free will, freedom and choice.

How do you see it?

( anyone?....I sense this could be a belief-expanding discussion....I very much appreciate your point-of-view.)

A thought about Awareness....I know that there is a world that lies outside of my Conscious Awareness, in other words, there is Awareness that I am not Conscious of.....the outside reflection causes the inner expansion.....that's the dance. For me, it is the growing into this that is Life.

Always learning,
Flo

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 7:00am

When I focus my Consciousness Awareness and imagine a state of unknowing, non-awareness and pure Being, in this Void, (zero-point field) I can say it is all within....yet, being aware of this is still Awareness...it's a very tricky thing. ...and so the dance continues.

For me, Love is a word that approaches this state of Being, unknowing, non-awareness, where I simply am, and all is a part of me.

In this place, I can say yes, it is all within.

This side of the veil, this state of complete Beingness cannot be maintained, as there is a heart to beat and brain that craves fuel, so Consciousness returns and in it's returning, it leaves non-awareness waiting, ever outside of its borders.

Mind-bending, belief shifting, love it,
Flo

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 7:41am

The thread has taken a twist in a differnet direction than my original intention when posting this thread...love it when that happens....but I wanted to post that I did receive my answer last evening to my energetic question.

In a interview on CNN, someone said (I forget who) that Michael was a global star who blurred distinctions of seperateness, his appeal was so vast and so Universal.

....he blurred distinctions between black and white
....he blurred distinctions between male and female
....he blurred distinctions between straight and gay
....he blurred distinctions bewteen adult and child

Somehow, I do think this links with the question if it is really all within. :grin:

Flo

Dance of Joy

Mon Jun 29 2009, 8:29am

Deva

Mon Jun 29 2009, 11:49am

Hey guys!!

I got to the party late!

So much has gone on since I posted and you all have such great posts!!

I just wanted to say to Alex who wrote:

but what does it matter if he forgot that the steadiest source of love comes from within?..

if only he had...
if only he hadn't...
if only he would have...
if only he could have...
someone should have...
someone should not have...

that's the kind of thinking you are doing to yourselves. you are not letting yourselves off the hook. you are still judging and comparing and assessing.

I was not saying 'If only he hadnt.. everything would be okay' I was learning from his experience. I do not want to change what happened to MJ. I do not think of it as a tragedy although my heart did weep for the suffering I imagined he went to through to get him to need all of those drugs. I do not think it is okay to take drugs to escape from pain. I do not think that makes a 'happy life'. Since I am concerned with having a satisfying life myself and perhaps influencing others to the same it felt good to me to observe and learn and form my own conclusions as to what went wrong and how that could have been avoided. For the expansion of my own perspective.

I think everyone should reach for what feels best for them. For some it is knowing that all is well, even Micheal suffering. For me it was observing that, feeling that, understanding why and then getting on the healing side of it

Nothing is wrong with pain if you let yourself feel it, it sort of dissolves.. its only when you try to avoid it it comes back and bites you in the ass.

Thats my view on this Alex. It may not be brighteyed & bushy tailed but I am not "pinching myself off' by allowing myself to interpret my version of the truth from this. There as many versions of an event as there are observers. I just see it a little bit differently I guess.

Again, talking this over with you has helped me really evolve my perspective to a place where I can really feel the energy of the situation, understand that all is well and understand the lesson that it was there to remind me of

:-)

:heart::namaste:

Deva

Mon Jun 29 2009, 1:21pm

Adal.. AWESOME ZACK POST

TOTALLY FEELING THE ONENESS :love: :love: :love:

cigi

Mon Jun 29 2009, 1:28pm

*********************

A visitor complains that I am "overly verbose".
That's a redundant phrase, dear. The word "verbose" would suffice. Therefore, Missy Smarty Pants, you were in fact verbose by stating that I was "overly" verbose. Look it up. It's easy.

It's my right to use as many words to express myself as my wittle heart desires. I don't set an egg timer when I sit down to write. I do not monitor my word count one way or another. Some day I will be a famous author and be too self-important to write here anymore and you will wish I would have written longer posts here. Oh yes you will. I said Yes! You will. You'll yearn and crave and jones for more Newport! It is law!

***********************

Whatever.

You'll totally still post here no matter how famous & self-important you become.

You love us.

Deva

Mon Jun 29 2009, 1:33pm

ALEX!! Totally love you for pushing my boundaries brother. There really isnt any right just your perspective and my perspective. Now onto the specifics:

The Adal I know and see will NEVER EVER be the Adal you know and see. But we both know I am talking to you through this post. This post is in front of us; we are reading it from behind our eyes.

Alex, it is the same conciousness behind all of our eyes. The same knowing awareness. Or if you want to be specific. We are all aspects of the same looking and we are only separate because we believe the thought that "I" am separate. Really you are not.. but that thought sure is seductive.

The point I was making about the "outside" stuff is that obviously at some point in our futures we will know well enough and loudly enough that we don't need anything from the outside to heal the inside. The inside "heals" when we simply identify our point of resistance and cease to resist.

Thanks Alex & this is a wonderful point. I think its okay to dance with whatever is engaging and pleasurable and whatever you feel drawn too. Its always nice to know you have options so you can move beyond the crutches or toys if you want to. Part of the fun of being incarnated is experiencing all of this. Not necessarily transcending it all but diving into it fully. Awareness is everything. I'm glad you have something that helps you zone out & feel soothed. I dont really think it matters what that is doesn't it? :heart::heart:

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 1:58pm

You make them say, and do, what you need them to so you can SEE yourself, so you can see within. there is no separation between you and who you choose to interact with.

I was flowing merrily along with you and Zach, until I bumped into the above idea.

I am in agreement with much of the brilliance of Zach, yet I see the "other" thru a different lens....

Once form manifests out of the One, seperation manifests too.

Each conscious, seperate Manifestation is endowed with free will and freedom and choice....with boundaries, edges, borders, preferences, uniqueness.

I cannot make you say or do anything.....and I prefer it that way.

You are free, free, free to respond in whatever way you wish to express your own Awareness....and I am also free, free, free to choose my response from an infinite sea of possibilities.

I do think it a paradox ....holding oneness and seperation, unity and individuation, wholeness and pieces. I do think the idea of the Original Cell is actually a brilliant metaphor.

Thanks for making me think and for your reflection. ;)
Flo

Dance of Joy

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:11pm

I really don't give a shit if I am you and you are me or everything is upside-down and backwards ~ everything looks like love from where I am standing (sitting:grin:) in this moment and it is fucking brilliant.

S'all I gotta say on that... :joylick::p :heart:

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:12pm

Not sure how to respond to your ideas Alex. I get lost in all the words.

Flo

Dance of Joy

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:12pm

'cept that was REALLY REALLY fun to say :grin::grin::grin:

Deva

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:19pm

I cannot make you say or do anything.....and I prefer it that way.

You are free, free, free to respond in whatever way you wish to express your own Awareness....and I am also free, free, free to choose my response from an infinite sea of possibilities.

:applause::applause::applause:

The way I grasp this is, no matter what I will say, or do, (or others) YOU will choose to see what you need to see in order for you to see YOU. It's a little tricky...

Indeed, we have freedom, and we are free to do whatever. Other people is there reflecting back at us what we "vibrate" what we need to see of ourselves.

Thanks for the explanation Adal this resonates with me.

I also think that our perspective really colors our experience of others. It must therefore be possible to see others truly without layering our unique perspective on it. Perhaps that is the difference with sensing with the heart versus thinking with the head. The mind is really good at categorizing things and putting them into 'boxes' and the heart is good at embracing things, even despite their outward appearances.

Plus I like what you say people reflect back to us what we need to see - even thought it may not be what we want to see. :heart:

Deva

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:21pm

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:21pm

The way I grasp this is, no matter what I will say, or do, (or others) YOU will choose to see what you need to see in order for you to see YOU. It's a little tricky...

Yes, yes, yes....I concur...and it is a little tricky.

The way I understand it is that we assign the meaning, the value, the story to whatever IS....and we pick the meaning, value and story from our awareness, our beliefs, our own lens of perception, so whatever we are perceiving is a reflection of who we are, not of the other.

Does that flow with Zach ideas?

Flo

Flo

Mon Jun 29 2009, 2:44pm

:applause::applause::applause:

I also think that our perspective really colors our experience of others. It must therefore be possible to see others truly without layering our unique perspective on it. Perhaps that is the difference with sensing with the heart versus thinking with the head. The mind is really good at categorizing things and putting them into 'boxes' and the heart is good at embracing things, even despite their outward appearances.

Plus I like what you say people reflect back to us what we need to see - even thought it may not be what we want to see. :heart:

Beautiful said Deva.

Flo

Wed Jul 01 2009, 6:18pm

YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

I am going with my original theory....somethin' energetic was (and is) going on.(at about 6 minute mark...incredible)

Thanks NightPrincessa for your unconditional embrace of Michael....it helped me looked deeper and question my own pre-conceptions that were formed long before I knew anything about energy and vibration. :namaste:

:heart:Flo

Nightprincessa

Wed Jul 01 2009, 6:42pm

Thanks NightPrincessa for your unconditional embrace of Michael....it helped me looked deeper and question my own pre-conceptions that were formed long before I knew anything about energy and vibration. :namaste:

:heart:Flo

I watched he video and started crying at precisely that moment ( 6 min mark) because it is absolutely beautiful, I am still very sensitive to his energy and I also receive messages from him... and it is oh so loving! Can't stop the tears... :heart:

I love you Flo! :heart: :namaste: