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Nightprincessa
Wed Apr 16 2008, 7:19pm
"We have to say to you that forgiveness doesn't fit in very well with
the art of allowing, because you've got to dig up what you're
forgiving. The strange thing about forgiveness - it doesn't have to
be this way, but it often is - is that, when you hear people talking
about forgiveness they're usually talking about what they're
forgiving. 'Oh yeah, it's a terrible thing she did to me. [and with
mock anger...] But I forgive her.' [laughter] And what happens is
anything that you give your attention to activates in your
vibration. So if something has hurt you, and you are working to
forgive it, you are activating.

Forgiveness is almost exactly the same, in fact would we say it is
exactly the same, as saying 'I'm going to deactivate this thing that
hurt me'. And we would say the reason that it doesn't go very far
and the reason that people struggle so hard with the idea of
forgiveness is because they keep digging up the stuff they don't want
and keeping it active in their vibration so that they have a stream
of people they have to forgive. They forgave their mother for what
she did and kept it alive and then they had to forgive this lover and
this lover and this lover and this lover. And every day it's an
eternal quest to forgive. And we say why not just let it go and
activate something that doesn't need forgiving.

Any person is like a microcosm of the Universe. They have within
them things that you adore and things that you would rather not see.
And if you are forgiving some of the stuff you don't want to see you
are keeping it active so it becomes a bigger part of the personality
that that person is giving to you. But if you ignore that by
activating the things that you appreciate, oh that's a whole other
thing.

So we would give forgiveness a new definition. We would say the
ultimate way of forgiving is really forgetting. And the ultimate way
of forgetting really is by remembering something you want to
remember."

Albuquerque, New Mexico - Sept. 2, 2002.


Love :loveflag:

Martika

asjairok
Thu Apr 17 2008, 12:58am
Thank you Martika, this is great!!!
I never saw the point of forgiving, I always felt there is no such a thing.
This all is great explanation.
rather appreciate good things.

Cantabile
Thu Apr 17 2008, 3:40am
That's a very good way of defining forgiveness. This is a beautiful quote.

I always see this situation everyday in people. Them telling me the past with this person. Them telling me we're okay with him but then again they'd tell me what horrible things he said. I remember telling them that they have to forget it but they keep reminiscing all the bad things about him.

Strange. But I see him differently. :)

Going back to forgiveness, this is a powerful excerpt. :love:


Thank you Martika for sharing this. :hug:

honestly
Thu Apr 17 2008, 4:37am
Thank you! How perfect?

Also, forgiving implies that the person has done something wrong to you. But you bring all your experiences to you! And there's no such thing as right and wrong. :)

Jen415
Thu Apr 17 2008, 9:50am
Wow, Martika! I've never seen that quote before, but it just hit me like a ton of bricks!! :)

Thanks so much, love! :heart:

Nightprincessa
Fri Apr 18 2008, 9:57pm
Hi everybody :hug: Thanks to all of you for your replies. :dance2:

Love to you all :loveflag:

Martika

AttractionFactor
Sun Apr 20 2008, 10:16pm
Hi Martha,

Thanks for the quote. I'm grateful to have learned that forgiveness and forgetting are the same thing. Prior to Abraham, I did not fully understand what that meant, but now I do.

Forgiveness and forgetting are the answer!

Thanks Martha.

Steve

sara
Wed Apr 23 2008, 1:21am
:wave: This is cool Martika!!!!!! :wave: :thankyou:
So, we go off and just enjoy something anything???????????????
Or, do we enjoy/appreciate something good about the person that we want to forgive??????????

I remember one of Louise Hey's old techniques for forgiveness was #1 get your anger out by imagine doing to the person what ever you would really (Abe= feel good) like to do. THEN and only then You can "forgive" him and sincerly wish him well... I imagined some very nasty things happening to him appropriate for his lack of loving behavior.. :twisted: :evil: :mrgreen: (I did this with my ex and it really helped me cause I was keeping all the anger in cause back then it was not thought to be spiritual to have anger feelings so we all went around hiding it.=uck!=and feeling superior cause we claimed to have no anger!!LOL LOL :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
So would this fit into Abe????????????? What do you think??? It is doing something to feel good....
:downstream2: :kiss: :downstream2:

Dan
Fri Apr 25 2008, 4:10pm
I have to disagree with this a bit.

I guess it's important to think positively all the time, but isn't there such a thing as repressing your negative emotions and feelings? Isn't this where EFT comes in, and other techniques to release stuck energy?

I guess I'm torn between the "Think and feel as if there was no problem" and "Take care of unfinished business." Joe Vitale and Mike Doyle are big believers in working out the stuck negative beliefs and resentments.

Of course, everyone agrees you shouldn't DWELL, and that you must forget after you forgive, but just nothinking about it, I think, ignores an important issue. What do you think?

--Dan

cigi
Fri Apr 25 2008, 8:02pm
I hate the word in the title of this thread. I am hesitant to type it, but for the good of the message I say: I forgive MYSELF. Myself is all it ever was. Reflecting back my own lack of self-worth. But I would not forgive myself. That would be a misunderstanding. I love myself, and never did create anything "wrong", or "bad." I created my reality, and all was always well, every iota. And now I know.

Now THAT"S HUGE. I've read the quote on forgiveness before but Alex, your take on it is - well - STUNNING! Funny isn't it? I've been able to accept the idea that I've created everything in my life & I've been able to change most things I don't like. BUT I never stopped to "FORGIVE MYSELF"!

Awesome! Now I KNOW!!!!
:dance2:

cigi
Fri Apr 25 2008, 8:19pm
Yeah - I get the "F" word thing. I should've put more quoties around it!

We need an ABE thesaurus for words like that! :D

Forgiveness - to release, let go, forget, etc.