We are all one

[TornadoOfFury]

I LOVE THIS FORUM. Once again, someone inspired a search for deeper clarity within me, so let's all take a moment to consider this.

If we are all one, we are all extensions of Source. Then wouldn't it make sense that as we evolve we are coming into greater knowing of our one-ness. And as we become, as a civilization, more conscious of our connection that our society would reflect that? Therefore doing things like contriving scarcity to maximize profits at the expense of human lives would become obsolete and unnecessary. Perhaps we would stop sustaining our current monetary system that is essentially economic slavery:

“Slavery is but the owning of labor and carries with it the care of the laborers, while the European plan… is that capital shall control labor by controlling wages. This can be done by controlling the money. It will not do to allow the Greenback… as we cannot control that.” The Hazard Circular July 1862

Wouldn't it make sense that as we become more aware of who we truly are, that we would get rid of our illusions of power naturally? AS A RESULT of understanding that we are all one, we would naturally stop sustaining institutions that try to impose power over people. I don't want you to misunderstand, it's not because people need to be empowered and are weak that we will or should force this into effect. I just see it as a result of the evolution of consciousness. It makes no sense to sustain a system that encourages competition to survive when we know who we truly are.

[Chamber]

I LOVE THIS FORUM. Once again, someone inspired a search for deeper clarity within me, so let's all take a moment to consider this.

If we are all one, we are all extensions of Source. Then wouldn't it make sense that as we evolve we are coming into greater knowing of our one-ness.

Amen brother.

Titty-o bitches!
:heart:

[yeslist]

creativity wins out over competition when the creators intention is in alignment with feeling good.
Simon

[Crane]

The subject is more complex than it appears on the surface.

In this discussion, ToF makes some judgments about capital and how it is use that most of us would agree with. But maybe, those are just our own individual opinions. Since subjugation in varying levels of intensity exists in our world, is it reasonable to assume that some chose to expand within those confines? Maybe, for some, the frustrations of enslavement are the greatest contrasts they can find and are helping them expand their desires exponentially. We have to be careful not to assume our freedom-loving values are the same for everyone else.

As far as the idea of an "evolution of consciousness," I'm not convinced there is any such thing, per se. If you mean we learn to achieve better access to all that is, I agree, but I would prefer to call that expansion and not include all the other implications that the term "evolution" implies. Our bodies evolve (as a byproduct of conscious expansion) but our minds just achieve more of already existing capabilities and awareness.

Good questions, Tof!

[cigi]

Since subjugation in varying levels of intensity exists in our world, is it reasonable to assume that some chose to expand within those confines?

I think this statement is the key to everything. I fully believe that we all come here to experience individuality through contrast & struggle. No matter what another's life looks like from the outside, there is always an inner-struggle present on some level. There is always an agenda for personal expansion despite obvious circumstances.

While I agree that we are all of the same source, I still believe that we are separate extensions of that. If we were not individual before we came into the physical, then how could we have made decisions and agreements for our incarnations?

There has to be some level of individuality outside of the physical. So, how ONE are we really?

Now I'm just confused...

[TornadoOfFury]

We have to be careful not to assume our freedom-loving values are the same for everyone else.

Good call. I obviously can't say I have the one true answer, but I have a couple possible theories.

Perhaps being freedom-loving will attract to you other individuals who are of like mind, while those desiring the current type of contrast can stay together?

Could it be that this crazy 2012 idea is a time where we decide at some level which reality we will individually take part in. Perhaps there will be an earth in one dimension that stays very similar, one where we release some current limitations, and one that is even more limiting. Stay with me, leave the shit flakes in your cupboard! Hear me out:

There must be (not really, but to mind mind there must be) some way that when we get diverse enough, we part further from those who are of such a different vibration. To the point where we must be in a different parallel reality. There will always be contrast, but wouldn't it get to the point where it would become more specific. For example, if one was in an extreme joy vibration most of the time, they would experience a lot of contrast merely when they were no longer in positive expectation. Would that same person even be able to experience someone who is in extreme fear or rage? Would that person be able to vibrationally exist on an earth where there is a world government that enslaves people? Would one who is fully aware of their one-ness to everything be able to exist in a world where there is power struggle (separateness)?

Not that experiencing "lower" vibrations is bad. It's just that if we keep growing separate ways (further into limitation and further into freedom) vibrationally, and everything physical is vibrational, then wouldn't we, by law, have to manifest in either a more and more distant physical place in this dimension, or go to a completely different dimension all together?

[Dance of Joy]

While we are all one, in Spirit, in Source, we are not all of ONE MIND. We come here with our singular minds as extensions of Source to bounce around and mix it up and create MORE. Each in our own individual way. Makes for lots of variety, doesn't it?

[yeslist]

The subject is more complex than it appears on the surface.

In this discussion, ToF makes some judgments about capital and how it is use that most of us would agree with. But maybe, those are just our own individual opinions. Since subjugation in varying levels of intensity exists in our world, is it reasonable to assume that some chose to expand within those confines? Maybe, for some, the frustrations of enslavement are the greatest contrasts they can find and are helping them expand their desires exponentially. We have to be careful not to assume our freedom-loving values are the same for everyone else.

As far as the idea of an "evolution of consciousness," I'm not convinced there is any such thing, per se. If you mean we learn to achieve better access to all that is, I agree, but I would prefer to call that expansion and not include all the other implications that the term "evolution" implies. Our bodies evolve (as a byproduct of conscious expansion) but our minds just achieve more of already existing capabilities and awareness.

Good questions, Tof!
My view of the word evolution means adding to and growing an awareness from that idea. Abe discribes it this way.......they are better with words than me......lol
There is thought and there is Thought Form, and there is Manifestation. Manifestation is always in the eye of the beholder. So this time-space-reality that everyone is perceiving is nothing more than vibrational interpretation.
So the Thought Form of that which is man was set forth from Broader Perspective, and has continued to evolve by the experience of those who were having the experience here on the planet. And what you actually see as man or human is vibrational interpretation. Now, did man come from ape? No, man was a different idea. So how does the idea of evolution occur? And we say, because the idea of each species was set forth, and as the experience of the species is lived, the idea expands. So the expansion is happening from the Leading Edge place, and is supported from the Source Energy that flows everywhere the idea goes.

Excerpted from the workshop in Billings, MT on Saturday, June 21st, 2003


Thought that is projected, now thinks. So it's not possible to separate the thinker from the thought, because the thinker thinks a thought, and then the thought thinks and becomes a thinker, and then the thought, that was a thought that is now a thinker, thinks another thought, which becomes a thinker, also. And so, there is a constant summoning of Life Force. Now, a thought that is thought longer becomes Thought Form. A thought that is thought upon by many, becomes Thought Form. A thought that is thought upon by many, in a very clear undiluted fashion, as from Nonphysical Perspective where there is no resistance, becomes physical matter. That's why the physical universe is a by-product of the Nonphysical attention or focus. So, the Nonphysical Energy that created this physical mass from the Energy of the Universe, the mass itself, now becomes a thought that is thinking, that is attracting the Energy.

Excerpted from the workshop in Los Angeles, CA, on Sunday, August 2nd, 1998


What "moving thought forward" is, is about being a nucleus that attracts different components of thought so that when they actualize around you -- it is different than it has ever been before! "As I stand in my focused, human, leading-edge experience, and I choose this combination of thoughts and feelings, I am offering a signal that has never been offered before. And so, the Universe must uniquely yield to me, which causes me to offer a vibration that maybe someone somewhere else is matching. If they are, they will certainly come into my experience for the time that we are matching it." That is the way you affect the world. Most think in terms of thought affecting the world: You think about transmitting outward: "I'm going to affect the world from my outgoing signal." That isn't the way it works. You affect the world by achieving the vibration that brings the signals to you. You create a nucleus that Universe has to respond around. That is how you are the creator.

Excerpted from the workshop in Albuquerque, NM on Sunday, May 9th, 1999 cheers
Simon

[cigi]

Not that experiencing "lower" vibrations is bad. It's just that if we keep growing separate ways (further into limitation and further into freedom) vibrationally, and everything physical is vibrational, then wouldn't we, by law, have to manifest in either a more and more distant physical place in this dimension, or go to a completely different dimension all together?


Question: Wouldn't this essentially be the removal of any contrast?

[Crane]

Interesting thread with some brilliant perceptions presented with real clarity. It's going to take some digesting before I make a more thorough post, but taking off on something ToF mentioned, it's important to know that in Quantum Theory, the most generally accepted advanced idea now is String and/or Mbrane Theory.

What's important about this is that, if any version of it is correct, there must be either 6 or 7 additional dimensions that are other than what we now recognize. Mix this in with the fact that it is now also generally accepted that we are able to identify or "see" less than 90% of the matter and energy that must be in the universe as it appears to be, and you see a vast panorama of unknown fields and quantities into which we will roam as our consciousness and awareness expands.

I love the imagination and developing intelligence that threads like this bring up. We are not just on the cutting edge. We are only at the very beginning of a very long process in which things beyond our wildest dreams are not only possible, but probable. Our puny brains have only begun to shine light on the possibilities.

It's so valuable to think free and have no sacred cows. Just let your mind wander. Everything thing you imagine can happen and will and many combinations therefrom.

Thanks, all of you, for getting my motor started! :hug:

[Crane]

Definitely on the same page with you on this, although as you imply, it doesn't seem to be wholly satisfying. Close to the point.

BTW, unless you're counting glasses of wine, I have very few repeat experiences.

[yeslist]

a note on your last post...

lower, higher--realize that there is NO continuum in your life experiences--you may choose in one experience to have it "easy" and in another, when you have expanded further and feel "stronger" vibrationally to have it "tough"...

those who can LOOK AT ALL existence and not take it into their existence are THE MOST EVOLVED...they seek not to separate themselves--but to HOLD THEIR VIBRATION in the face of allowing all others to do their own thing...
Hi Goddess
I am so close to your thinking about this and I agree that we are not here in "earth school" and that there is no linear continium.
I feel there is an essence that calls me though. It calls me to be and experience a greater awareness of whatever it is.
Allowing this flow in my experience is what I came here to be for it is the only thing that keeps me focused here.
I have a deep desire to become and experience a greater awarnes of the blissful aspects of this physical focus. I am only focused on this quest so my reality will continually reflect this beauty back to me. I am blessed by the experience of this focus and my intentions are refining daily. I might add that there is only pleasure felt in this experience...no work or trying ...just allowing myself to feel my vibe.
I do see days when resistance is recognized and dealt with quickly and other times it takes a while for me to acknowledge my state of being. I don't see any barrier between the expressions of All that is except for the ones created by each of us and these are the by product of our individaul experience playing in this construction zone of physical sensual rationalizations. I am retraining my mind to follow my intuition rather than the opposite. It is a wonderful adventure in my reality and I wish all well with their own adventures for eventually everything comes around into balance and harmony as expansion allows space as the void of potential possiblities widens with every new thought engaged.
Cheers
Simon

[Crane]

Beautifully said, Simon.
:clap: :clap:

[River]

Tornado of Brian,
I am answering from my right brain, and I vibrate with what you are saying. I do believe we are evolving consciously in this shift toward 2012, and I do resonate with oneness (which has so many perpsectives through our individual eyes and experiences). I resonate with the end of slavery, the end of a monetary system and POWER OVER others and see a new paradigm, a new society in which we get what we need, manifest it and the payment is appreciation. A culture of love, community, superorganism in which we give and recieve and share-wouldn't that be wonderful? Doesn't that subvert the dominant paradigm? Isn't it fun to imagine a new one? Isn't it fun to see 'power over' shown for what it is and shrivel on the vine? I cannot help but to think of the corruption of the US government and how it is being shown for what it is, and I am seeing old energy go out the window making room for a new world. It is an exciting time in history.

:heart: Shannon

[yeslist]

While we are all one, in Spirit, in Source, we are not all of ONE MIND. We come here with our singular minds as extensions of Source to bounce around and mix it up and create MORE. Each in our own individual way. Makes for lots of variety, doesn't it?
Our physical mind is just a mechanism for processing data. there is something broarder and deeper than our mind and it is akin to the same place where our consciousness exists ... it it our intuition, the gut feeling ,the images that flash momentarily in our minds focus.(as we attempt to understand it with this limited machine that only processes information at 24 frames per second).
the essence of al reflections of the human idea is one that promotes 'feeling better' because that is all
any of us ever seek no matter what the experience.
At essence we are connected and our expression of this connection always finds harmony in the collective experience.

[Nightprincessa]

I enjoy Brian's posts very much!

Just want to add my take on a small phrase but with a huge difference for me:
In my perspective, consciousness doesn't evolve, it just IS and EXPANDS.

If anything, I would call it mass enlightenment or awareness... but again, there will still be preferences, and the meaning of enlightenment also differs from perspective to perspective.

[yeslist]

Hi Tika
I was expecting you to respond that way....lol
"i say tomatoe and you say tomatoe" the different accent does not come across when it is written...only when spoken.
It is obvious the "evolution" conjures up other interpretations in you observation.
evolution of consciousness is only linea when observed from a mind perspective.
the word expansion is not strong enough a discription of what happens to me as I allow my experience to unfold.
it is all just words and words are just triggers from our collective agreement of mechanical/electrical/chemical physical minds.
Let's move deeper into our own essence and the intuition it offers for our stimulation of self awareness.
for you it expands and for me it evolves......but my use of my word means more than linearly.
love Simon

[Nightprincessa]

Let's play Simon says...
Simon says let's evolve... *I'm evolving just for you!* :hug:

But I'm just pretending to agree with you! :mrgreen: hehe j/k... I know what you mean! :winking:

[yeslist]

Tornado of Brian,
I am answering from my right brain, and I vibrate with what you are saying. I do believe we are evolving consciously in this shift toward 2012, and I do resonate with oneness (which has so many perpsectives through our individual eyes and experiences). I resonate with the end of slavery, the end of a monetary system and POWER OVER others and see a new paradigm, a new society in which we get what we need, manifest it and the payment is appreciation. A culture of love, community, superorganism in which we give and recieve and share-wouldn't that be wonderful? Doesn't that subvert the dominant paradigm? Isn't it fun to imagine a new one? Isn't it fun to see 'power over' shown for what it is and shrivel on the vine? I cannot help but to think of the corruption of the US government and how it is being shown for what it is, and I am seeing old energy go out the window making room for a new world. It is an exciting time in history.

:heart: Shannon
I would only focus on what I wanted and allow the rest. head down and focus on happiness.it is our essence that builds the emotional bridged for us to walk across to a higher state of beingness. What is is a construction of our physical minds based on sensual agreements. I want what I want and will focus on flowing to that. my question to you is...from my IB....when is your 2012 coming into your reality? can you see it in your own awareness? If you want it be it!
I am living my 2012 now! It is truly a wonderful peception that I have invited into my reality.
Just hang'n waiting for my playmates to find theirs.

love
Simon

[yeslist]

Let's play Simon says...
Simon says let's evolve... *I'm evolving just for you!* :hug:

But I'm just pretending to agree with you! :mrgreen: hehe j/k... I know what you mean! :winking:
Simon says......seek a happy segment! :hug:
cheers
Simon

[River]

(snip stuff on creating your own reality by simon.)

my question to you is...from my IB....when is your 2012 coming into your reality? can you see it in your own awareness? If you want it be it!
I am living my 2012 now! It is truly a wonderful peception that I have invited into my reality.
Just hang'n waiting for my playmates to find theirs.


I am so much enjoying the adventure on the way to 2012. I am enjoying me becoming and the unfolding I see around me and am experiencing. I am filled with delicious anticipation and excitement. I am finding my bliss now, and in each now I intend to find my bliss. You may already be living it i.e. 2012, but I am living now and it is beautiful. I am speaking from an intuitive place in me that doesn't know right or wrong, how or when, doesn' t care what is up or down. Your post makes me rofl rofl giggle. So don't look for rationality here, arguments, debates, just look for somebody having a good time being myself.

:heart: to you Yeslist

Shannon

[TornadoOfFury]

a note on your last post...

lower, higher--realize that there is NO continuum in your life experiences--you may choose in one experience to have it "easy" and in another, when you have expanded further and feel "stronger" vibrationally to have it "tough"...

those who can LOOK AT ALL existence and not take it into their existence are THE MOST EVOLVED...they seek not to separate themselves--but to HOLD THEIR VIBRATION in the face of allowing all others to do their own thing...

Ok, check this out. *deep breath*

IF we are an extension of our higher selves and our feeling of joy is our indicator of our alignment with this higher self, THEN isn't it possible that we came here with a purpose, that we actually have a destiny, a role to play.

I know we shudder at the thought of having a "destiny," but in a way, it could be true. Maybe our higher selves put us in this time and place for some specific purpose. And our joy is coming into alignment with that purpose.

Your "new" preferences that are born may not be new at all. They could just be your higher self saying "next on the list." And the joy that we feel is accomplishing those tasks. Not because we fail if we don't accomplish them, but because that is what will result in our greatest expansion.

Taking this further -- If our higher selves did have a purpose when manifesting into physical reality, it would also be possible that we, as a civilization are all in this together. That it is, in fact, likely that we will have a mass shift in consciousness. Perhaps we are all here in this dimension on this earth because we have the similar vibration of wanting to awaken. Not that we are all the same, but we share a similar desire, a similar vibration that allows us to create together.

By law, if we were all COMPLETELY different in vibration, we would also be in COMPLETELY different physical manifestations of time and space, no?

[TornadoOfFury]

Not that experiencing "lower" vibrations is bad. It's just that if we keep growing separate ways (further into limitation and further into freedom) vibrationally, and everything physical is vibrational, then wouldn't we, by law, have to manifest in either a more and more distant physical place in this dimension, or go to a completely different dimension all together?


Question: Wouldn't this essentially be the removal of any contrast?

:love: Cigi

Actually, no. It would be more fully experiencing contrast. Right now, for example, Abe's emotional guidance scale is 1. Joy - 22. Fear (something like that)

Is it possible that as we individually -- or as a group -- grow, that we will get more and more "specific?" In other words, right now, If we are in Joy, it would be great contrast to experience fear. For the sake of this point, I will say that #22 (Fear) is rock-bottom, can't get any more disconnected.

As we become more aware, or just as we expand more into Joy, we would be able to get a great deal of contrast from boredom. So in other words, instead of experiencing 1-22, we would shift into a reality where we specifically focus on 1-10 (Joy to Boredom). Or even experience positive expectation as our greatest contrast (1-4). See what I mean about more specific?

Maybe we can experience more subtleties as far as emotions go. Maybe there is enough subtle contrast in joy through positive expectation for a whole lifetime that we could choose to explore.

And as I said, it would make vibrational sense.

If A is expanding further and further into joy, AND
B is expanding further and further into fear, AND
The physical world is our interpretation of vibration, AND (almost done, I promise)
The Law of Attraction states that which is like unto itself is drawn, THEN
Would A and B not, by law, separate further and further from eachother?
And at a certain point, wouldn't A no longer be able to experience B (given that they continue desiring to expand in the same direction)?

[cigi]

Is it possible that as we individually -- or as a group -- grow, that we will get more and more "specific?"


Now you're talkin'. I agree that we become more specific through growth. I like the idea of emotions becoming more subtle as they hover around the higher end of the scale. Those are very good points.

BUT - what group? Any growth/expansion has to take place on an individual level. Every experience is singular without exception. Even Siamese twins have different life experiences. There can never be a completely unified perspective in physical - so there is no such thing as growth as a group.


One more thing... :kiss4:
Destiny? Oh dear GOD! Don't get me started.

[Crane]

Is it possible that as we individually -- or as a group -- grow, that we will get more and more "specific?"


Now you're talkin'. I agree that we become more specific through growth. I like the idea of emotions becoming more subtle as they hover around the higher end of the scale. Those are very good points.

BUT - what group? Any growth/expansion has to take place on an individual level. Every experience is singular without exception. Even Siamese twins have different life experiences. There can never be a completely unified perspective in physical - so there is no such thing as growth as a group.


One more thing... :kiss4:
Destiny? Oh dear GOD! Don't get me started.

So, Cigi-baby, where does co-creation fall into this grand scheme?

There is no possibility whatsoever that anything can be done without external contact.

Unless I'm wrong.

[cigi]

So, Cigi-baby, where does co-creation fall into this grand scheme?

There is no possibility whatsoever that anything can be done without external contact.

Unless I'm wrong.

You're NEVER wrong, Dave & I love it when you call me cigi-baby. :love:

Maybe I can better explain my point of view:

Say you & I were standing on the balcony of your home in NYC. We're there together, taking in the same view. However, I'm only 5'2 & you're a big, tall man. My vantage point cannot be exactly like yours. Plus, I might be standing on the left & you on the right. Because you live in the city you've become so accustomed to the traffic sounds that you almost don't hear them, but for me they would be much more pronounced. Then take into account that the cool October weather might feel just right to you, but as I am a thin-blooded southerner, I'm somewhat chilly. On top of all that, realize that every bit of external stimuli each of us experience is filtered through all that has already happened - context, if you will.

Now, we've obviously co-created this together, but we are each having a completely unique experience. That's why I say there can never be growth as a group.

[Antonio_4]

I think that the growth we experience now, will be used by the people who follow us Christy.
That's what Abraham mentions too, using the example of the babies of today. They arrive ready for today's life, today's technology. They come and plug in to that Source. They're the new spiritually evolved toasters.
The things we experience today will be our contribution for the next gen. And I really believe this is how we move up, step by step.
I think you can see this growth pretty clear with how people deal with religion now.

[Crane]

So, Cigi-baby, where does co-creation fall into this grand scheme?

There is no possibility whatsoever that anything can be done without external contact.

Unless I'm wrong.

You're NEVER wrong, Dave & I love it when you call me cigi-baby. :love:

Maybe I can better explain my point of view:

Say you & I were standing on the balcony of your home in NYC. We're there together, taking in the same view. However, I'm only 5'2 & you're a big, tall man. My vantage point cannot be exactly like yours. Plus, I might be standing on the left & you on the right. Because you live in the city you've become so accustomed to the traffic sounds that you almost don't hear them, but for me they would be much more pronounced. Then take into account that the cool October weather might feel just right to you, but as I am a thin-blooded southerner, I'm somewhat chilly. On top of all that, realize that every bit of external stimuli each of us experience is filtered through all that has already happened - context, if you will.

Now, we've obviously co-created this together, but we are each having a completely unique experience. That's why I say there can never be growth as a group.

Cigi-baby :love: :love: , I got it. But, larger or small, hot or cold, aren't we sharing our experience, vibing together asynchronously? Don't I feel you as the aura of your energy expands? We care about each other, so wouldn't that awareness affect my experience, probably positively, maybe negatively, but certainly not neutrally? So, while your experience is recorded in your own way and mine in my, each is colored by the shared experiences. Maybe, I'm saying the same thing, but you made it so vivid, I wanted to imagine the experience and see how I felt about it.

Felt nice. :hug:

Everything physical is connect to some degree to everything else. Just a some rocks tossed in the water make larger splashes, so spirits more vividly highlight all that we share. There is no disconnection, so the smart thing to do is maximize every experience to greatest extent possible.

It rocks the world!

[Crane]

I think that the growth we experience now, will be used by the people who follow us Christy.
That's what Abraham mentions too, using the example of the babies of today. They arrive ready for today's life, today's technology. They come and plug in to that Source. They're the new spiritually evolved toasters.
The things we experience today will be our contribution for the next gen. And I really believe this is how we move up, step by step.
I think you can see this growth pretty clear with how people deal with religion now.

Antonio, I agree with you 100% EXCEPT...

...the "move up" thing. That's an optimist point of view. We also move to the side and downward as part of the process. The great mass now is upward, but the Bush years have shown that it's not 100% so.

Dave

[TornadoOfFury]

BUT - what group? Any growth/expansion has to take place on an individual level. Every experience is singular without exception. Even Siamese twins have different life experiences. There can never be a completely unified perspective in physical - so there is no such thing as growth as a group.

Destiny? Oh dear GOD! Don't get me started.

I think you guys already discussed the shit out of this, but this is what I meant:

We obviously (ALL humans) are co-creating physical reality in this dimension. No, we are NOT the same. However we have a common intention to be here and experience contrast and experience the limitations that come with being physical.

The "groups" I am talking about are families of consciousness. Just as we ALL had intentions for being here, perhaps "groups" of us have even more specific common intentions. Like us, here at Abetalk. We are not the same. We do not want the same things. However we share a common interest and therefore come together to co-create.

Yes, we all perceive the creation differently, but because we have a common "purpose," we are all here as a "group."

[Crane]

It's an interesting thought, ToF. I'm not completely down on it, but I am fairly sure that, possibly via the Zero Point Field, we are able to access the entire history of thoughts and experiences and piggyback on others current points of view.

I've noodled on this for a while without coming to a conclusion I'm satisfied with.

But I will share that, frequently in meditation, I drop into the visual experiences of individuals I don't know in settings I don't recognize. It's not like time travel, but it is like being there in synch, if only partially. From this experience, I've concluded that we must share open space that we will one day learn to manipulate as we now do the obvious physical plane.

[Antonio_4]

Yeah Crane.
With we, I mean us who are aware of the way up. Not many of us here are heading down I reckon.

but the Bush years have shown that it's not 100% so. We have to thank Bush and hes clowns!! I know it's fucked to read that. but what he did was provide us more contrast. Contrast is the rocket fuel we need to launch them rockets of desire up!

[Nightprincessa]

A good example would be the human body, it is ONE, but it has different parts to it like the hands, the nails, hair, teeth, skin, bones, cells... etc. etc.... all the parts conform the ONE body but at the same time they all share the same DNA (which would be the equivalent of knowledge in consciousness.)
All of these infinite aspects of consciousness (us) are equally important, there is none better than the other... the aspects or perspectives have each a unique function in the physical, and that is to send "information" within the consciousness according to what is being learned and experienced through that unique perspective.

All of that "information" expands that particular aspect, and at the same time it helps expand the whole... which is the CONSCIOUSNESS.


This is a partial quote of my post on cigi's thread "how ONE are we?" The reason for the quote is to explain, in my view, and using the analogy of the ONE body, what Brian is saying.

If all the parts of the body conform the whole of it, also, each part has several parts to it that have the same purpose... like, the hand has bones and fingers and nails etc... and they all have a common "interest" which is the movement of the hand and all its other functions... but the parts still maintain their individuality even if they are a group with a common function.

[TornadoOfFury]

If all the parts of the body conform the whole of it, also, each part has several parts to it that have the same purpose... like, the hand has bones and fingers and nails etc... and they all have a common "interest" which is the movement of the hand and all its other functions... but the parts still maintain their individuality even if they are a group with a common function.[/b][/color]

BAM! Exactly!

[Antonio_4]

I'd love to see this being experimented once. Put a few young toddlers on an island in the middle of the ocean. Assuming that they survive and eventually grow up.
At some stage, will they reinvent the wheel again? Will they find ways to make fire? Will they find things that they can use as tools to build shit?
I really think they'll make use of the evolution. I'm not saying they will build a 5 star hotel out of scratch. I certainly believe that they would invent the things, that in our history took hundreds, maybe thousands of years to invent, in the time frame of their life on that island.
And this is what you see with animals too.

[Nightprincessa]

There is also what they call "Soul Clusters" who incarnated with explicit intentions and contracts... although ultimately we each have our own free will.

Is this what you're referring to, Brian?

[cigi]

Everything physical is connect to some degree to everything else.


Exactly - "TO SOME DEGREE." :mrgreen:

I'd love to see this being experimented once. Put a few young toddlers on an island in the middle of the ocean. Assuming that they survive and eventually grow up.


Tony! rofl rofl

You just made me spit Vitamin Water on my keyboard!

[TornadoOfFury]

There is also what they call "Soul Clusters" who incarnated with explicit intentions and contracts... although ultimately we each have our own free will.

Is this what you're referring to, Brian?

Yes it is! And does this not imply that we do come here with a "destiny!?"

[Nightprincessa]

The answer is yes and no. Yes, because we did agree to some intentions or contracts... and no, because even though we agreed to something, we still have the free will to change that and not follow through.

But... I believe that the more you are in alignment and follow your heart, the more these intentions will be fulfilled because you will definitely attract those from your soul cluster, and if you're in alignment then you will follow your IBs intentions... which will be along the lines of what was agreed.

I also think that even if you're not enlightened, you still will attract some of your soul cluster, for they could very well be some of the members of your family (if not all) and even your life partner as well... or life partners.
Creating by default will definitely attract at least the strongest of agreements (in my opinion)...
I'm thinking that, all contracts or agreements are for certain growth or lessons, but they are not rigid or written in stone and leave room for flexibility as long as the growth intended is accomplished.

This subject of soul clusters is fascinating and intriguing. :)

[cigi]

There is also what they call "Soul Clusters" who incarnated with explicit intentions and contracts... although ultimately we each have our own free will.

Is this what you're referring to, Brian?

Yes it is! And does this not imply that we do come here with a "destiny!?"

How can you put destiny & free will in the same pattern of logic? Throwing destiny into the mix completely blows free will out of the water. If I am here to fulfill some sort of destiny, then why would I do anything? I can just sit & wait for it to fall in my lap.

Now don't get me wrong, I believe in soul clusters or families - but that just means you have an agreement to incarnate together. Moreover, soul families are just a combination of soul mates & antagonists. The antagonist can have just as much of an attractive quality as the soul mate because each is equally valuable in one's experience in terms of growth.

So upon incarnating in the physical, you are still left with a myriad of choices. You could wind up with your soul mate, or you could wind up with your antagonist, or a group of each, or those souls could move in and out of your life, delivering lots of "good/bad" along the way.

It is still ALWAYS about choices. :heart:

[Nightprincessa]

Now don't get me wrong, I believe in soul clusters or families - but that just means you have an agreement to incarnate together. Moreover, soul families are just a combination of soul mates & antagonists. The antagonist can have just as much of an attractive quality as the soul mate because each is equally valuable in one's experience in terms of growth.

So upon incarnating in the physical, you are still left with a myriad of choices. You could wind up with your soul mate, or you could wind up with your antagonist, or a group of each, or those souls could move in and out of your life, delivering lots of "good/bad" along the way.

It is still ALWAYS about choices. :heart:

All of the "good/bad" that is done is for the purpose of growth/expansion... so yes, sometimes the closest person to you could be your antagonist (and that was the agreement)... or as we say in physical, your "worst enemy" but it is all for your expansion, for your growth... so, even if you make a "poor choice" you are still growing because of it and it was what your IB intended for you to get in that moment in order for you to expand... because everything you do is perfect, even what is perceived as imperfect! (thnxs G ;D)

Like I said, those contracts are flexible so there are infinite ways to accomplish the expansion that was intended.

[cigi]

Heehhee Tika-Tik! :clap:

I think we're in complete agreement. Have you ever read any Brian Weiss? Really fascinating!

[Nightprincessa]

Heehhee Tika-Tik! :clap:

I think we're in complete agreement. Have you ever read any Brian Weiss? Really fascinating!

Yup, we're saying the same thing, that's why I quoted you! heehee :D
I haven't read any of his work, but now I'm curious and I might just do that! ^^

:heart:

[Bodhi]

Nice discussion people.

When I was studying English, American literature was my favourite course and within American litearture Ralph Waldo Emerson was my favourite writer - and one of my favourite teachers.

I studyied him in depth and I still adore him. So much so I attracted a family from Boston with which I spent a year as an Aupair and was close enough to visit Emerson's hometown, freaking beautiful Concord :heart:

The cornerstone of his conviction was the "over-soul" on which he never spoke specifically, but he did describe it:

"We live in successions, in divisions, in parts, in particles. Meantime within man is the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the universal beauty, to which every part and particle is equally related; the eternal ONE. ...We see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the tree; but the whole, of which these are the shining parts, is the soul. When it breathes through man's intellect, it is genius; when it breathes through his will, it is virtue; when it ploughs through his affection, it is love."

[cigi]

I have enjoyed reading through all of this thread.

And I have had AHA! moments with all of you, but if you take a look with a little distance, everyone is saying THE SAME THING, but with different words and different opinions and perspective. There is the answer... SAME THING-DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

We are ALL ONE. We are all Source Energy. Energy cannot be split, not separated, not even disconnected from itself.
If we takethe physical bodies out of the equation, if we take the names out, if we take out the place where you live, if we take out our own personal stories, if we take out your belongings, your financial credentials, the social circle where you gravitate, your self imposed beliefs and disbeliefs... if we take out all of that, what do you get?

Source Energy.

Now there are different egos, perspectives, united somehow, co-creating, I appreciatte I have a distinction of self, but in a purest sense, I am not a bit different from Cigi, Crane, Tika, Simon, Brian.. or anyone else, we are loving Source Energy--- It's the exposure to Life itself which makes us go to different ways, think different, see things different, react different, be excited about aliens or not... which creates diversity to add fun to the game. But, in an essence... we are the very same thing.

Brian, that thing you said about two parallel worlds reminded me of this movie called Avalon... where the witches lived in a dimension unseen by men. I think that is already happening, I live in two worlds actually and sometimes I tend to be tooo invisible for other people...which is a good thing. rofl



Oh, Adal :love:

I just LOVE your romantic view of life. It's really gorgeous - as are you, my friend. :heart:

Maybe you should ask Zach about "destiny" for the rest of us. Otherwise, this little debate could go on forever...