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AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 5:48am
Certainly, I know, I can have my moments . . . as I am a spirit living a human existence.
Nevertheless, any thoughts on how and why I attracted some negative people on this site? Who, in my opinon, attacked my intellect and put labels on those who choose alternative lifestyles?

I have blocked this person . . . :evil:
It just makes me want to avoid this place as this person posts a lot and seems, to me, very negative with these judgments and accusatory.

Yes, I responded and became defensive . . .
It is just so negative to have to even feel defensive. I can get judged by my posts on other sites. I was hoping this one would be an exception to the negative stuff toward each other, which happens too much in other places.

Reaching for that better feeling thought . . .
Lots and lots of great people here . . . :meditate:
One negative certainly doesn't negate the 98 or 99% who are positive feeling, lovely people . . .
Let me know you're still here Aber's with your incredible light, acceptance and kind words such as "not my pie" and avoiding personal attacks on others choices as "scams", "cheating" or "liar's".

Such upstream words -- I go to anger, defensiveness -- and totally doesn't match what I am! :x

Peace . . . joy . . . life is abundant . . . love . . . :downstream2:

Jen415
Sat Oct 11 2008, 10:08am
EDIT: P.S. In the reality creation paradigm there are no negative people, only a negative perceiver [that's you :)]. Don't shoot the messenger! ;)

He's absolutely right....it's all a matter of perspecitve....

The Internet is full of assholes.....I just put my attention elsewhere.

:heart: Jen :heart:

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 11:11am
OMG I'm blocked!!!

I don't know what to say, I've never been blocked before. Thank you! Thank you! I'm well... I'm just HONORED.

Thank you again. I have never created in someone else's experience enough to get this strong a reaction on the forum before. And you're an "Aber" to boot!

I'm just so proud at this moment, I think I might cry. *sniff*

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 2:41pm
http://www.blocked.com/resistance.html

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 4:04pm
thats so funny you blocked Christy!!! LMAO!!! rofl rofl rofl Angela she says what exactly what she's thinking and you have to appreciate that!!! I want to be more like that!!! GO CHRISTY GO!!!!!!

Lisa, my dear, it is great to strive to speak your mind, that is awesome, YOU GO GIRL, but please don't strive to be like Christy! ONE IS ENOUGH!!! rofl rofl rofl

Maybe that is the problem . . . maybe she is too much like me! YIKES!!!

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 4:15pm
Maybe that is the problem . . . maybe she is too much like me! YIKES!!!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! rofl rofl rofl rofl

ummmm....NO.

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 4:25pm
Let me know you're still here Aber's with your incredible light, acceptance and kind words such as "not my pie" and avoiding personal attacks on others choices as "scams", "cheating" or "liar's".

Let you know? By saying what you want us to say? Aber's? Uh, sorry ... wrong place.

Iz obvious you still need the vibrational hand-holding that Jody can give you. Need the url?

No, Jody actually canceled some of my posts . . . I'm too much for her. I guess I'm like Cigi -- outspoken. Unlike Cigi, though, I am not prejudice.

I don't mind you saying things . . . like 'not my pie' or 'I'd rather prostitute', by the way. It's fair. Judgment is a whole other thing. To me, what the person said went too far -- it's like saying . . . All white people hate other ethnic groups.

Yes, I blocked her -- as some Abers do not watch violence on tv or films or do not choose to watch the news. I have that choice, too. To block her.

I get that I cannot change her mind. For many reasons . . . number one being freedom of speech. Doesn't mean I have to continue to listen to it, or see it in print. And this same freedom, which is important to me (and why I speak up); let's me state when I see prejudice I can say that I see it.

Thank you all, I do feel downstream when I know I am heard . . . and I am! So, all is good! I feel downstream to block closed-minded prejudice people where I can, and have done so.

All is good . . .
I envision my life where people cease to judge others . . .panhandler or prostitute.
I envision my life when all people I attract--guide and help one another . . . in all circumstances.
I envision all people finding joy in the creation of their lives segment by segment, each and everyday!
Thus, I have it already!
As others suggested . . .prejudice people is no longer in my vibration. Not my pie. :love:

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 4:42pm
K....I just blocked every single member. Saves time and hassle.

Don't want to accidentally see anything that disrupts my state of being.

Proceed.

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 4:49pm
thats so funny you blocked Christy!!! LMAO!!! rofl rofl rofl Angela she says what exactly what she's thinking and you have to appreciate that!!! I want to be more like that!!! GO CHRISTY GO!!!!!!

Lisa, my dear, it is great to strive to speak your mind, that is awesome, YOU GO GIRL, but please don't strive to be like Christy! ONE IS ENOUGH!!! rofl rofl rofl


Whatever Sierra, you know you can't get enough of me! Thanks Lisa - I've seen you speak your mind. I think your pretty damn good at it. ;)

K....I just blocked every single member. Saves time and hassle.

Don't want to accidentally see anything that disrupts my state of being.

Proceed.

Exactly. If our dear friend who can't see this could keep her own vibe in check, blocking would be a non-issue. AND she'd probably be laughing her ass off right now. Like me. :joylick:

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 4:50pm
I might be offended by anyone saying they're blocking me...

...but since I already blocked everyone...I wouldn't know it if they said they're blocking me.

So....neener-neener.net

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 6:03pm
Thank you all, I do feel downstream when I know I am heard . . . and I am! So, all is good! I feel downstream to block closed-minded prejudice people where I can, and have done so.

I've already posted a reply about something like this on the Choose your costume post, but I want to further my statements with the fresh material we have to work with... Read on.

All is good . . .
I envision my life where people cease to judge others . . .panhandler or prostitute.

Meditate on your statement. I will reword it slightly to make the energy behind it more obvious:

"If you judge someone that makes you a bad person."

That doesn't make much sense, does it? You can't judge the judgment out of someone. You can't say that judging people is bad without being hypocritical. It is a choice.

Everyone here knows that I almost always give the same advice: Don't judge. Labeling something as good or bad creates resistance. If you feel that the choice to judge is wrong, you will always have resistance to judgment. Does that make sense? It doesn't have to.

What am I doing now? Am I judging you? I don't know, but regardless of what it is, I feel inspired to write it. Just like I feel inspired to write everything I have on this forum. It is from my heart and I enjoy helping people when it's possible. But I also understand that which comes from my heart is right. So if I ever hurt someone with my words, I do not judge whether it is right or wrong and say "I must have said something wrong." If I was inspired to say something to someone, I co-created with that person to tell them exactly what they needed to hear. I did not resist that which they were calling forth from me. In that way, I always try to stay as true to myself as possible.

And THERE IS MUCH LOVE HERE FOR YOU! There is much love for you everywhere ALWAYS. It is always your choice to experience it or not!

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 6:23pm
And THERE IS MUCH LOVE HERE FOR YOU! There is much love for you everywhere ALWAYS. It is always your choice to experience it or not!


Are you drinking or do you just have a split-personality disorder?

Just checkin'. :love:

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 6:26pm
And THERE IS MUCH LOVE HERE FOR YOU! There is much love for you everywhere ALWAYS. It is always your choice to experience it or not!


Are you drinking or do you just have a split-personality disorder?

Just checkin'. :love:

I don't get it...

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 6:36pm
And THERE IS MUCH LOVE HERE FOR YOU! There is much love for you everywhere ALWAYS. It is always your choice to experience it or not!


Are you drinking or do you just have a split-personality disorder?

Just checkin'. :love:

I don't get it...

Oh I think I get it.... are you referring to me enjoying you intellectually, yet wanting to enjoy you sexually at the same time?

Are we on the same page now?

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 6:46pm
Oh I think I get it.... are you referring to me enjoying you intellectually, yet wanting to enjoy you sexually at the same time?

Are we on the same page now?

No - that's not at all what I was saying, but since you brought it up... ;)

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 6:58pm
Oh I think I get it.... are you referring to me enjoying you intellectually, yet wanting to enjoy you sexually at the same time?

Are we on the same page now?

No - that's not at all what I was saying, but since you brought it up... ;)

;) indeed!

Well then... do you mind if I picture you naked while I ask you what you were saying?

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 7:05pm
define ironic: AngelAura28 leaving the other forum due to being blocked, and comes here and starts to block others.


dictionary.com says:
Ironic - adjective
coincidental; unexpected: It was ironic that I was seated next to my ex-husband at the dinner.

I say:
This situation exemplifies that judging/resisting something only strengthens your attachment to it, thus increasing your experience of it. Your resistance indicates there is an aspect of yourself that you are not allowing.

Judge not lest ye be judged, bitches!

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 7:10pm
Ya see....this shit only happens when we move off of the 2 main topics...Sex and Food.

When we stay with Sex and Food...All is Well.

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 7:15pm
Ya see....this shit only happens when we move off of the 2 main topics...Sex and Food.

When we stay with Sex and Food...All is Well.

High-5

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 7:29pm
[quote="imagine.love":2oyz7fhp]

Let you know? By saying what you want us to say? Aber's? Uh, sorry ... wrong place.

Iz obvious you still need the vibrational hand-holding that Jody can give you. Need the url?

No, Jody actually canceled some of my posts . . . I'm too much for her. I guess I'm like Cigi -- outspoken. Unlike Cigi, though, I am not prejudice.

define ironic: AngelAura28 leaving the other forum due to being blocked, and comes here and starts to block others.[/quote:2oyz7fhp]

The irony is that the "Aber" herself is having a conniption about judgment while she judges me. Yet she somehow manages to imply judging is wrong. However, as a student of Abe, she should consider that Abe speaks of preferences more than any other topic.

Quick! Somebody define preference. Could it be favoring something based on a....what?....a judgment?

Know what kids? I at least have the backbone to OWN my judgments.

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 7:48pm
Quick! Somebody define preference. Could it be favoring something based on a....what?....a judgment?

Know what kids? I at least have the backbone to OWN my judgments.

I might have a different concept of judgment from yours. So I'm just going to take my psychic hands off your boobs for a minute while I write this.

Judgment: Believing something is better or worse. Invalidating something/someone. Believing that one choice is superior to another.

Example: I am heterosexual, i choose to engage in heterosexual activities because I feel it is right, therefore those who are gay must be wrong. Here's why... [they validate their position and invalidate homosexuality because it is "wrong"]

Preference/discernment: Recognizing that all choices are valid. Realizing that everyone is ALWAYS doing the best they can with what they know, regardless of what you choose. Not seeing your choice as superior to another, thus allowing yourself to choose with freedom.

Example: I love being a heterosexual. I choose to engage in heterosexual activities. I do not choose to partake in homosexual activities. I choose this not because homosexuality is wrong or something to resist, but because it is what I prefer. I allow others to choose whatever it is that resonates with them. I can now take effortlessly take my energy from struggling against which I do not want and can place it on that which I do want.

Catch my drift?

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 7:55pm
One more thing:

I understand this to the point to which I can allow others to judge. I understand that judgment is a choice. I understand that it is often an unconscious choice rooted by a belief in danger. A belief that I am not God. A belief that another can create my reality. A belief that we are all separate, and that others can compromise my safety. Judgment is a result of us having an individual experience. It is another state of being to explore.

To release judgment does not place you into a superior state... it is another choice. A state that I resonate with, therefore I assume it.

Woah, I really understand where the confusion comes from. Judgment is a tricky word!

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 8:20pm
Judgment: Believing something is better or worse. Invalidating something/someone. Believing that one choice is superior to another.

Preference/discernment: Recognizing that all choices are valid. Realizing that everyone is ALWAYS doing the best they can with what they know, regardless of what you choose. Not seeing your choice as superior to another, thus allowing yourself to choose with freedom.

Catch my drift?

LOL - no.

What a load of crap! There is no difference in what you're saying than what I already have. I just choose not to have my words dictated by someone else.

I only ever make statements of my own personal preference - JUDGMENTS, if you will.

All choices are valid. Right.

All choices are NOT valid for me. And I will not pretend they are, no matter where your hands are.

And umm...my JUDGMENTS are obviously superior to many others. Pffft - you obviously think better when your hands are busy. :mrgreen:

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 8:20pm
define ironic: AngelAura28 leaving the other forum due to being blocked, and comes here and starts to block others.

Jody didn't block me . . .
She canceled a couple of my posts only.
I am still a member there.

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 8:29pm
Meditate on your statement. I will reword it slightly to make the energy behind it more obvious:

"If you judge someone that makes you a bad person."

That doesn't make much sense, does it? You can't judge the judgment out of someone.

Everyone here knows that I almost always give the same advice: Don't judge. Labeling something as good or bad creates resistance.

What am I doing now? Am I judging you? I don't know, but regardless of what it is, I feel inspired to write it. Just like I feel inspired to write everything I have on this forum. It is from my heart and I enjoy helping people when it's possible. But I also understand that which comes from my heart is right. So if I ever hurt someone with my words, I do not judge whether it is right or wrong and say "I must have said something wrong." If I was inspired to say something to someone, I co-created with that person to tell them exactly what they needed to hear. I did not resist that which they were calling forth from me. In that way, I always try to stay as true to myself as possible.

And THERE IS MUCH LOVE HERE FOR YOU! There is much love for you everywhere ALWAYS. It is always your choice to experience it or not!

Nothing you said seemed like judgment to me.
No, you're not judging me . . . you didn't call me a cheater, scammer, whore . . . you were fair. You said what "you feel" and didn't make a 'blanket statement' that any person who does a certain profession is something else. You didn't name call. Which is, unfair judgment and prejudicial.

Are all prostitutes bad people?
Are all Jews money-grubbing?
Are all white people descendants of slave owners?

That is unfair and prejudice if one thinks those things. Not that I can stop them thinking this or being unfair or prejudice. Yet, I don't have to read it in what is supposed to be something of a positive forum. And I can state my view on their close-minded rants.

For balance . . .at the very least.

TornadoOfFury
Sat Oct 11 2008, 8:36pm
Yet, I don't have to read it in what is supposed to be something of a positive forum.

Do you see that this forum (what is) is not inherently positive or negative. There is only reflection of your Self. If you experience it, it is a symbol of yourself. To say there is something wrong with what you are experiencing is to say there is something wrong with yourself. You accept that you are the creator of your reality, yet you invalidate responses that you have received (which are your creation).

In the beginning YOU created the heavens and the earth. YOU saw that it was GOOD! ALL OF IT!

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 8:39pm
Yet, I don't have to read it in what is supposed to be something of a positive forum.

Do you see that this forum (what is) is not inherently positive or negative. There is only reflection of your Self. If you experience it, it is a symbol of yourself. To say there is something wrong with what you are experiencing is to say there is something wrong with yourself. You accept that you are the creator of your reality, yet you invalidate responses that you have received (which are your creation).

In the beginning YOU created the heavens and the earth. YOU saw that it was GOOD! ALL OF IT!

I really only have a problem with Cigi's responses. Yet, apparently, get off on the debate -- even when she is blocked! rofl

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 8:45pm
[quote="imagine.love":1q6l3jq4] define ironic: AngelAura28 leaving the other forum due to being blocked, and comes here and starts to block others.

Jody didn't block me . . .
She canceled a couple of my posts only.
I am still a member there.

omg, i'm officially predjudiced against stupid people who try to wear smart masks.[/quote:1q6l3jq4]

Its not a mask . . . I am smart! And always have to have the last word.

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 9:06pm
I'm postjudice.

New word...yay.

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 9:07pm
i am actually psychic and the whistle i'm hearing is really annoying.


I thought that was my tea pot...Interesting.

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 9:10pm
if you were REALLY psychic you would have blocked cigi before all this transpired.

unimpressed.org

AngelAura28
Sat Oct 11 2008, 9:15pm
I never said I wasn't sarcastic . . .
I guess that doesn't come across too well in print.

I am joking with you . . .I am being a sarcastic bitch!

I get what you're saying.

Sorry, was just trying to lighten up this fun debate.
Yeah, I started it because I get excited by debates . . . that's all. :wink2:

Apologies to all . . .
Just havin' fun . . .
I chose it because, yes, I love taking the other side of any cause. If Cigi had said panhandling is "greatest way to make money" in the world. I don't know. Maybe I would've argued the other way.

Well, no, not quite that cruel . . . still, I can debate why panhandling (as some of you did) is in no way LOA and it is not an abundant way to gather funds. And how, I would've never have gone "on the road" as Richann did, without the funds to do so.

Richann has her reasons and it's her choice.
No matter what side I choose to debate . . . I would never resort to calling any panhandler a "cheater" or "scammer" -- unless they cheated or scammed someone, of course. :scratch:

Certainly, I stand by my points . . . and meant what I said.

Now, I am done . . . debating.
You all made great points!
Woo Hoo! I had fun . . . and now for other fun things! :dance:

Let's play!!! :queen:

Chamber
Sat Oct 11 2008, 9:17pm
What?

cigi
Sat Oct 11 2008, 9:20pm
See, AA - there is a rather close knit group of us on this forum who are happily irreverent and joyously intelligent.

We choose to attract people like yourself for the contrast of it. And by people like you - I mean those who can't hold their own vibrations in check unless someone's constantly soothing them.

It's fun for us to test people making claims about their Abeishness & try to attack us, because so often those people wind up curled into the fetal position.

So, I'm gonna conservatively estimate that in order to maintain that sunny disposition of yours, you'll need to block over half the active members before the month ends.

So have fun, dear - while you last...

GoddessNextDoor
Sat Oct 11 2008, 11:59pm
Angel Aura 28 said:

"I am smart! And always have to have the last word."

:scratch:

I see a contradiction in this statement. I will ponder it.


Just sayin ......

TornadoOfFury
Sun Oct 12 2008, 2:34am
Judgment: Believing something is better or worse. Invalidating something/someone. Believing that one choice is superior to another.

Preference/discernment: Recognizing that all choices are valid. Realizing that everyone is ALWAYS doing the best they can with what they know, regardless of what you choose. Not seeing your choice as superior to another, thus allowing yourself to choose with freedom.

Catch my drift?

LOL - no.

What a load of crap! There is no difference in what you're saying than what I already have. I just choose not to have my words dictated by someone else.

I only ever make statements of my own personal preference - JUDGMENTS, if you will.

All choices are valid. Right.

All choices are NOT valid for me. And I will not pretend they are, no matter where your hands are.

And umm...my JUDGMENTS are obviously superior to many others. Pffft - you obviously think better when your hands are busy. :mrgreen:

Well I'm not sure if we disagree and you're saying you're right, or if we completely agree and you still want to make sure I know you're righter. Either way, my hands are about to migrate south... ;)

Chamber
Sun Oct 12 2008, 10:24am
judg·ment also judge·ment (jjmnt)
n.
1. The act or process of judging; the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation.
2.
a. The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships; discernment: Fatigue may affect a pilot's judgment of distances.
b. The capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating: His judgment of fine music is impeccable.
c. The capacity to assess situations or circumstances and draw sound conclusions; good sense: She showed good judgment in saving her money. See Synonyms at reason.
3. An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision: awaited the judgment of the umpire.



or


con·demn (kn-dm)
tr.v. con·demned, con·demn·ing, con·demns
1. To express strong disapproval of: condemned the needless waste of food.
2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence: condemned the felons to prison.
3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order


One is resistance....one is not.

cigi
Sun Oct 12 2008, 10:56am
Pffft - you obviously think better when your hands are busy.

Well I'm not sure if we disagree and you're saying you're right, or if we completely agree and you still want to make sure I know you're righter. Either way, my hands are about to migrate south... ;)


See, now we have an agreement. ToF thinks much more clearly when he has something fun & interesting to do with his hands. Oh, and cigi's right-er.

Just sayin'.

Chamber
Sun Oct 12 2008, 11:14am
I'll take physical masturbation over verbal masturbation any day.

TornadoOfFury
Sun Oct 12 2008, 1:11pm
judg·ment also judge·ment (jjmnt)
n.
1. The act or process of judging; the formation of an opinion after consideration or deliberation.
2.
a. The mental ability to perceive and distinguish relationships; discernment: Fatigue may affect a pilot's judgment of distances.
b. The capacity to form an opinion by distinguishing and evaluating: His judgment of fine music is impeccable.
c. The capacity to assess situations or circumstances and draw sound conclusions; good sense: She showed good judgment in saving her money. See Synonyms at reason.
3. An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision: awaited the judgment of the umpire.



or


con·demn (kn-dm)
tr.v. con·demned, con·demn·ing, con·demns
1. To express strong disapproval of: condemned the needless waste of food.
2. To pronounce judgment against; sentence: condemned the felons to prison.
3. To judge or declare to be unfit for use or consumption, usually by official order


One is resistance....one is not.

I see! When I was coming to this realization about polarizing things and seeing things as "right or wrong," the quote "judge not lest ye be judged" came to mind and made much more sense. So I have been using the word judgment to express what I meant. It's used in the Bible quite a bit and I don't choose to believe that God/Source/Creator would be judgmental. You know, make the judgment day decision of who goes to heaven and hell. So yeah... I guess, according to the dictionary Cigi really is righter than I am.

Oh and Cigi...
ToF thinks much more clearly when he has something fun & interesting to do with his hands.

You think I think better when my hands are busy... just you wait!

cigi
Sun Oct 12 2008, 1:21pm
OMG - ToF!

You just psychically felt me up, admitted that I am right & threatened to do other "busy" stuff. That's it. I'm officially *smitten*.

TornadoOfFury
Sun Oct 12 2008, 2:03pm
You just psychically felt me up, admitted that I am right & threatened to do other "busy" stuff. That's it. I'm officially *smitten*

:dance:

cigi
Sun Oct 12 2008, 2:27pm
You're so right Bethy.

It was wrong of me to enjoy this extra-special rampage in my honor.
It was wrong of me to flirt with a tornado. Especially 1 that quotes the bible.
It was wrong of me to laugh as much as I did knowing that another pitiful soul was suffering.
It was wrong of me to state that panhandling was icky when I could have said it was "Not my pie."
It was wrong of me to convince Lisa to post that tranny pic on 2 threads.
It was wrong of me to tell Toni how he should enjoy porn.
It was wrong of me to start a rumor that Chamber fell down when in truth he was actually having some fun.

I feel guilty on a level I have never felt before. I have shamed myself.

Did I cover everything?

cigi
Sun Oct 12 2008, 8:00pm
OOH! I remembered some bad stuff I did off-line this weekend too. Should I confess it here?

Last word bitches. And to quote FAF (quoting some comedian), " I only call ya bitches cause I can't remember your names individually."

cigi
Sun Oct 12 2008, 9:13pm
I dunno - Our Tornado seems to be a little bible-toat - y.

His only redeeming quality is that he's super-twisty. That's always nice.

BTW, 11:11 - the original thread was "Choose your Costume." "bout 3 pages in...

Chamber
Sun Oct 12 2008, 9:15pm
But why quote the Bible if you don't believe what it says?
It says quite clearly, among all the other crap, that God/Source/Creator IS judgmental and will be putting MOST of us in the fryer. In fact the only way out is to understand (if you can) that this loving God sent its most beloved Son to be tortured in order that this loving God could accept the creatures It made and caused to 'sin'.

When you put it like that, it sounds really, really, really funny. rofl

No...THIS is a really funny way of putting it.

YouTube- Best clip from "Zeitgeist The Movie"

From George Carlin...PPE now.

Chamber
Sun Oct 12 2008, 10:13pm
It was ok...if you're into conspiracy stuff. Interesting take on things.

TornadoOfFury
Sun Oct 12 2008, 11:13pm
But why quote the Bible if you don't believe what it says?
It says quite clearly, among all the other crap, that God/Source/Creator IS judgmental and will be putting MOST of us in the fryer. In fact the only way out is to understand (if you can) that this loving God sent its most beloved Son to be tortured in order that this loving God could accept the creatures It made and caused to 'sin'.

The Bible is a very interesting book.... almost as interesting as a group of people who have come to know their spirituality so deeply, yet have disdain for a major element of the human being's spiritual evolution.

Before I even knew Abraham, I read many books by Neville Goddard who believed the whole Bible was not a history book but a psychological drama in which the characters represented the many states of being that one could find himself in. He said they were all symbolic stories, none meant to be taken as historical fact, but told that way because that is how people at that time actually learned and retained information. We still do it today! When a child lies, what do adults do? Tell him the story of the boy who cried wolf! Perhaps we don't think it's the best method today, but for a long time it served a purpose.

He gave many examples of how the bible taught that you create through your imagination, which is symbolized by Jesus, according to Neville. This explains a few things, especially why Jesus would "say" he is the only way to God. And that the only way you can get to God is through him...

There is a lot to it. I recommend Neville Goddard, Catherine Ponder, and Dr. Joseph Murphy for anyone who either feels great resistance to the Bible, or are looking to "deprogram" previous teachings.

Personally, I don't see the Bible as some invalid book that is a detriment to humanity. I created it to take myself from "ignorance" to "slightly-less-ignorance" to "what-the-fuck-is-going-on-here." It's a wonderful tool that many are still using. Just because I have already dug myself out of the ditch with my shovel doesn't mean I should now hate and destroy all the shovels! Some people are still in the damn ditch! And I'm not going back down there to get them!

TornadoOfFury
Sun Oct 12 2008, 11:18pm
Oh and thanks guys! You inspired me to write about Neville Goddard and that got me to look up some quotes of his. I haven't read any of his work in over a year. He was the fucking man!


Some good quotes if you feel so inclined!:

http://www.nevillelecturehall.com/quotes.html

Here is a bunch of his lectures. I've read most of them:

http://realneville.com/text_archive.htm

Naturally
Mon Oct 13 2008, 8:48am
This place rocks!! <---making a serious judgement here rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Where is Mury?

Just asking

Naturally :heart:

cigi
Mon Oct 13 2008, 11:59am
Alas, poor Mury. I have snaffled him into my lair.

And now the truth comes out about what's ACTUALLY been biting Leah.

GJDeming
Mon Oct 13 2008, 5:46pm
I like to throw back to the old saying "arguing over the internet is like the special olympics: no matter who wins, everyone is still retarded." Web forums are a poor social tool. Without seeing someone's face or hearing their voice, there is a huge gap in the communication process. I think because of this the dirt tends to rise to the surface more quickly. There is so much room for interpration. It can easily bring out the worst in people when they jump to conclusions and make assumptions.

I know because I wrestled with it for a while. For those with self worth issues it can be difficult. Once I got to a point where I didn't care what other people were saying, I found it easiest to just detach myself emotionally from the words and just focus on the content. Even so, I find it amusing when others attach emotion and additional meaning to my own words that I did not intend.

I gravitate torwards those that make good points. People with intellect and a firm understanding of how the universe works. You can throw an entire barrage of smileys in my direction and to me all I see is a screen full of crappily animated cheesey looking yellow faces (which is why I deactivated smileys in my settings). Anyone engaging in any sort of social warfare through text based chat to me is just retarded. This includes both sides.

cigi
Mon Oct 13 2008, 7:05pm
Web forums are a poor social tool.

Anyone engaging in any sort of social warfare through text based chat to me is just retarded. This includes both sides.

Excellent points, Galen. Forums shouldn't be viewed as a social "tool" at all. At best, they are cheap entertainment & if you're lucky, you'll run into a decent point on occasion.

I've always felt that people who have a hard time maintaining a positive outlook on a forum must have a terrible time in real social situations. I mean, if you can't hold on to your self esteem when you disagree with some words on a screen, what kind of skills can you possibly have around live people?

I personally find the entire thing hilarious. That's why I enjoy this forum. The freedom here practically demands clashing opinions & anyone who can't keep their own vibe in check is almost certain to melt down sooner or later. C'mon, what's funnier than that?

GJDeming
Mon Oct 13 2008, 7:14pm
Yeah, you are right, it is funny.

AttractionFactor
Mon Oct 13 2008, 9:27pm
Web forums are a poor social tool.

Anyone engaging in any sort of social warfare through text based chat to me is just retarded. This includes both sides.

Excellent points, Galen. Forums shouldn't be viewed as a social "tool" at all. At best, they are cheap entertainment & if you're lucky, you'll run into a decent point on occasion.

I've always felt that people who have a hard time maintaining a positive outlook on a forum must have a terrible time in real social situations. I mean, if you can't hold on to your self esteem when you disagree with some words on a screen, what kind of skills can you possibly have around live people?

I personally find the entire thing hilarious. That's why I enjoy this forum. The freedom here practically demands clashing opinions & anyone who can't keep their own vibe in check is almost certain to melt down sooner or later. C'mon, what's funnier than that?

Wise words Cigi. Damn, now, you are the SHIT!

I just have to say, "Moooooooooooooooooooo."

cigi
Mon Oct 13 2008, 9:43pm
Wise words Cigi. Damn, now, you are the SHIT!

I just have to say, "Moooooooooooooooooooo."

Thanks babe, I got nothin' but MMMOOOOOOOO for you too! :kiss4: