Is it just me or.....

[yeslist]

Hi Folks
Is it just me or is anyone else p%$$#d off by the way that Jerry and Esther are currently marketing the teachings of Abe?
I wish them well but I am just p%$$#d off by the regergitated same old message that they are profiting from. What is it...don't folks get the message that they have to keep going back time and time again to read or here what they ALREADY KNOW!
There...now I said it and I feel better for it!
I might be a lone duck here so you guys can shoot me if it feels good to you! hehe!
BTW...just for those who don't know me I love the Abe message and I find it flawless. It is just the phyical monster it is becoming that get's me passionate about it all.
I'll calm down now...mmmmmmm!(his expression of discontent finds a better emotional stance and all is now well again....lol)
Ithink what is happening is that the vibe they are putting out at the moment just dosn't vibe with little ole me and my vibe on Abe's teaching....what a paradox that is??? for me to deal with....hmmm!
Am I shooting the messenger???? hmmmm??
I know I shouldn't worry about what others do but it's my reality and I like the Abe message as an unpolluted pure stream of thought....It is bugger...... this physical soup.... sometimes!
Cheers
Simon

[Nightprincessa]

Hey there Simon :hug:

I assure you, you're not the only one here lol.... :mrgreen:

I'll say this, and this is only my perspective... I still appreciate the teachings of Abraham, but I'm no longer a student of them, I have moved beyond.
I am my own vortex and my own source of knowledge...
I can still listen to theirs and others teachings, and other people, but I will only vibrate with what resonates with me, what my IB tells me to be true to me.

What they do or don't do doesn't really matters, only if I decide that it does and I play their game, but no one has to if they don't want to. I think it's time people separate Abraham as a group of entities from Jerry and Esther (the latter two are just as blended beings as we are.)
Actually, you can just go straight to the source of it.... SOURCE/SELF! :mrgreen:

The only thing that matters to me is my joy and well-being! :dance:

Love ya! :heart:

[yeslist]

Yep I agree Alex


I have told folks to read ask and it is given and they will soon know if it is for them or not.
Just refining my pie a bit.
cheers
Simon

[Sapphire]

I was surprised when I realised that the new book is basically a re-hash of old recordings that I already have - I was expecting something fresher. I'm not annoyed about it though - I'm still finding most of the material useful, so that's what counts really, for me anyway. I suppose their basic message is so simple (a good thing), there are only so many different ways to put it, before it becomes repetitive. I realised some time ago that I continue to listen to/read Abraham's new material mostly because I find it enjoyable, not because I need any more new information (and agree with Alex about all the essential info being in AAIIG. I also remember Abraham telling a guest that they only needed to get one CD, and listen to it over & over). I already have all I need to know, both in the form of the info from Abe & others that resonates with me, and - most importantly - from my inner guidance. As someone who used to read a LOT of self-help & metaphysical type material until a few years ago, I love knowing that I never have to look elsewhere for answers again! :biggrin:

[Rainbowaterfall]

As someone who used to read a LOT of self-help & metaphysical type material until a few years ago, I love knowing that I never have to look elsewhere for answers again! :biggrin: Me too Saphire. I am in the process of putting together some new book cases and getting some books onto them. It is interesting to me how many authors I invested in as I was searching for Abraham. I'm really happy to no longer be needing to look for books that might have answers for me! Also, I might have lots of room on those shelves for pretty things as I eliminate books!
I have been applying what I have learned from Abraham for about 18 months ~~. I am still feeling pretty amazed as I apply this information on deeper and deeper levels.
Sometimes I find it easy for me to jump on a bandwagon regarding $$$ and other people's methods! That is me learning to shift some old patterns of thinking though and being joyful for other people which includes being joyful for me - regardless of how I find to obtain my fortune!
I am not suggesting that is what you are saying Simon. It is just what I attached to (some old tenticles that I work at keeping mowed down) when I read your thread entry.
It is interesting that it seems Jerry and Esther have a primary gift that they have the opportunity to impart to people. Once I was asking Abraham about my own business and my concern that if I really assisted people ethically, my business would no longer exist because folks don't need what I was educated and trained to do. I was looking at it that there is a limited number of people that would come to me and I would run out of people that would come to me. Abraham told me there are so many people that need this information that my business would flourish with those who are desiring it and attracting it. That is how I look at Esther and Jerry too. There are still so many people who want what they have.
I know someone who gets so agitated with folks in the hotseat who seem to ask the same questions over and over. However, I believe there are still so many who are hearing and applying it for the first time.
Also, I am still inspired by listening to answers - even though I might intellectually already know the basic truth of the answer, hearing it presented in another way assists me in applying it to my own life as well.
I never really have read one of their books from cover to cover. I think the last time I bought one I really just picked up two because my daugher wanted one and I wanted her to have it. I felt resistant when the initial marketing was going on and had not planned to buy one. Then the cover was so pretty (silly! :roll: ) and my old religious stuff kicked in (another thread - another day - no maybe not ever (!) so I bought two. Didn't want her to feel like I was buying it because she needed it and I did not - - - blah, blah, blah - yuch -http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/nodoubtfan1516/renee017.jpg How nice! via this thread some more of caring what others think has just been uncovered in me. How wonderful to realize I could just say, "Nope, I already have this on other CD's." However, I did want to hear the CD included in the book and thought that was worth it to me as well.
No need for me to shoot any ducks here. http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/zachtm94/duck.jpg

[River]

I am finding incredibly useful reminders in the new book and CD, though at first it seemed not up to AAIIG. Now the book is growing on me and I find little inspiring nuggets within.They talk about telling a new story, thinking in a new way, and shifting your vibe bit by bit. I am happy to be open to the message and learn from it, and it feels applicable to more than just manifesting money and health.

So the question is: What would a good book by Abraham include if it were up to us?
What questions would it answer? What themes would it have? What processes it would it have? Can we pivot to imagining what we do want? What did we love in AAIIG that we would want to see expanded on?

I am hearing that we want new, fresh material. I would like to see more on spirituality and relationships and Spicey says the next two books in the trilogy will cover this.

:heart: Shannon

[Ahnalira]

I am finding incredibly useful reminders in the new book and CD, though at first it seemed not up to AAIIG. Now the book is growing on me and I find little inspiring nuggets within.They talk about telling a new story, thinking in a new way, and shifting your vibe bit by bit. I am happy to be open to the message and learn from it, and it feels applicable to more than just manifesting money and health.

So the question is: What would a good book by Abraham include if it were up to us?
What questions would it answer? What themes would it have? What processes it would it have? Can we pivot to imagining what we do want? What did we love in AAIIG that we would want to see expanded on?

I am hearing that we want new, fresh material. I would like to see more on spirituality and relationships and Spicey says the next two books in the trilogy will cover this.

:heart: Shannon
Ditto that :joylick:

Ask the questions that are of interest and the answers will come :wink2:

I come from a different perspective than most here. I happen to be the one who maintains the Daily Quotes email program and provides support to the over 85,500 subscribers. Jerry and Esther pay me to do it and offer the program as a gift for anyone who wants it. So, I am inclined - when I read comments about over-marketing - to think anyone who sees over marketing as an issue focuses very narrowly. I prefer to focus as much as possible on appreciating the dedication and commitment to making the message available in as many ways as possible. I applaud Jerry and Esther for their willingness to invest a year of development into download technology to answer a request made by customers (as another example) :applause:

Acquire the books/recordings/DVDs, etc the feel right to acquire... let the others pass on by. That's my motto :dance: After 11 years of involvement in these teachings, I still experience insight and vibrational shifts from them that I receive and apply in new ways depending upon where I am with my own ever-changing set point :meditate: There are processes that had no interest to me when I first heard/read them that now I delight in.

That's my $.02 to spend as you will :joylick:

Ahnalira(who loves free wireless) - waving from the airport :wave:

[cigi]

Oh, Simon, you are so sexy when you are p%$$#d! And even cuter because you wont even write out the word pissed on a forum where people swear like sailors!!



Haha Sierra! I was thinking the same thing! I love it that Simon wont type the word pissed. How cute is that?


But I think it's up to us now to answer our own asking for leading edge expansion and going where no rabbit has gone before!


What better statement could be made than this? New rabbits, new holes. Time to move on guys!

[Ahnalira]

Yes, but from my WHOLE life.
Always :joylick:

By expanding the collective consciousness of the general population, we will also expand with them.
Exactly :clap:

It istempting to think myself "more" evolved because I've been at it longer than some, but I find - for me personally - this is an Self-limiting trap. I am much more connected to my wellbeing and All I AM when I maintain a willingness to be inspired by everyone and everything :drum:

[Crane]

I haven't posted much lately. Having too much fun reading and being stimulated to new thought. :clap: to you all.

Anyway, although the new book was just another version of the same old handbook, it does serve as a cheerful refresher. Like Sierra, I do audible.com and find hearing the voices more interesting than reading text. In this particular book, the content was good to hear reflected in a slightly different way, but it was clear that Esther was faking the voice throughout, nowhere near as genuine as in the seminars. Jerry apparently thinks they need more cash to roll in at Del Mar.

What Esther and Jerry have given us, however, is this forum as a launching point. Early on, Alex (RNRG) wrote that this was the Advanced Placement Class. It is. I learn so much more here than I can anywhere else. The mix of humor, acrimony, sexiness, fun, insight and experience is irresistable.

Simon, it was great to see you show up. You were one of the posters I always enjoyed back on the old, tight-assed forum. Keep your hand in, please. I LOVE reading everything you guys write! :grouphug:

[windowe]

Abraham has their own desires and focus. They are not owned by Jerry & Esther.

When I was Thoth, I channeled Abraham, as Ra. At one point, I was tempted to use that to my advantage, and they left for awhile. When I got lined up with Who I Am again, they came back. The channeler cannot force the channeled to do anything.... (i.e. write yet another book on the same topic). If you want another book, what do you do? You regurgitate old material.

Abe is wanting the leading edge. They have no desire to simply be an hourly employee in a corporate structure. They don't even get paid. Plus... they're message is "tune into self". So they are not "helping" anyone by endlessly giving answers through an external source.

Yes, Jerry & Esther can get under our skin if we have expectations of them, but really, everyone's here to work through vibration. Jerry & Ester are learning that the money game is a huge distraction from self. This is the lesson I learned in my last probability as Andrew Wilcox.

Abraham is playing a game with them, and winning. To hear so many people frustrated with the material is the call of source saying... go within... go within... go within.

Andrew Wilcox - Nothing is Hidden

[Ahnalira]

I love the idea of a 'launching point'. Crane! :clap: Great metaphor for me... thank you for that. I am in an 'ever-launching' state of becoming All I Am :joylick:

[alyanm]

Hey Simon, its not just you I'm sure. Abraham is the first one(s) to say "we only have one answer", and I'm pretty sure they're not kidding about that. I agree that the Abraham material can be repetitive, but thats a good thing because I'm a slow learner and I get new insights out of it even if they are saying the same things over and over. Honestly, I often find that it is the question askers who are the most repetitive and Abraham does an amazing job of taking things to new places given that they are asked pretty much the same questions over and over and over.

Well, now I've said it too and gotten that off my chest: boring questions pi** me off! I think we just have to take it new places ourselves, it really is up to us to take the ideas and run with them and not look to Abraham to "coddle" us!

Alan -- who looks a lot like Linus with his blanket...

[Crane]

I love the idea of a 'launching point'. Crane! :clap: Great metaphor for me... thank you for that. I am in an 'ever-launching' state of becoming All I Am :joylick:
Ahnalira, I've been meaning to mention how much I appreciate your thoughtful, thought-provoking posts, and I read the daily quotes you post every day. I'm glad we're simpatico and that I could add anything to your wellbeing.

:heart: Dave

[windowe]

Love that sig quote Alan... rofl

[windowe]

I was talking about this...

Embrace your hypocrisies, coddle you Inner Being!

[spiceycamel]

It's gonna go on a bit here ,this fun.eh?...I'm really begininng to like a lot more of other channelled (inspired ) stuff,it's moving ,exciting ,inspiring,but I still feel massive amounts from Abraham,they have a depth ,at least for me that the others don't have and still the new book brings new emotional connections for me ,like Shannon says with the New Story ,which I've started to do in a good way for myself.I agree we's moving on from being totally dependent on Abe ,but they would be the first to prefer that we do.They've said more than once that we should go by what we feel,listen to no one,not even them if thats what we're inspired to do...I don't think we should be dependent on anyone .otherwise we's a religon ,which we's don't be's.....Still I got faviourites,which may change,may not,I like me a lot more ,thats one gauge i have,I feel more sure,happy ,whatever the right word is....like I said in a post somewhere on a nother page today,we're having a great time exploring and having fun here...And I still want to lick some of your faces(not yours Andrew,,,Grosss!!HEE!!).
And I'm editing in here after reading,...I do agree with Andrew with the call "go with in,go within"..that is happening hugely now ,I've certainly felt that.That way we certainly become more self reliant,more attuned,I think it's good balancing act we do for things t[/size]o be at the best,some stuff from without is us calling from with in so that must be ok,mustn't it?///..otherwise why bother with any channellled stuff at all? I'd have though the channelled things are us inter acting with us and it only keeps appearing in our lives because at some level we are attracting it...
Pshyco Down ,Dudes :drum: :drum: :drum: :kiss4: :kiss4: :kiss4: .[/size]

[Joyful]

Hi Simon and all,

I can see that the books repeat the same stories...the material is taken from old workshops. I think that after The Secret came out the Hicks saw a great opportunity to market more books. Since they are so busy, I imagine the easiest method for them to create more books is to just take material from their previous workshops and give each book a different title. For new Abers, this material may be beneficial and exciting but for old Abers, it may feel like just the same old stuff. I was just listening to an old workshop tape from 1997...and it has the same messages as the workshops they are doing today. Abe's message is indeed simple, but sometimes hard to practice in our chaotic lives. :scratch: To remember to pivot on negative thoughts is challenging when we already have these practiced patterns of limited thinking. To remember that we are Creators and are indeed responsible for what comes to us is easy to forget. We don’t need more Abe teachings, we just need to practice what we’ve gathered! :winking:

For me, practicing mindfulness has been the key to unraveling all that I am, to expand me into the awareness that I am, that all is, purely love. Of course, this is not what Abe teaches, but it is the "inner being" state they often speak about. The teachings of Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie are more insightful into this way of being. Simply releasing all thought and grounding into the expansiveness of my being is very joyful. As I do this, everything seems more magical, even the simple act of washing dishes. It's kind of that Oh, my gosh! feeling...of I'm alive...everything is alive...how wondrous!

The Abe way of appreciation, doing books of positive aspects, looking for a better feeling thought, are excellent tools to raise our joy level. But, you can find deeper teachings elsewhere. In fact sometimes a period of "no teachings" is a relief...to just sit in the park and watch the marvel of the trees, dogs scampering about, breezes blowing, and everything pulsing with aliveness is more than enough to know the tremendous love and power that inspired it all to be.

Much love… :heart: :heart: :heart:

[windowe]

Hi Simon and all,

I can see that the books repeat the same stories...the material is taken from old workshops. I think that after The Secret came out the Hicks saw a great opportunity to market more books. Since they are so busy, I imagine the easiest method for them to create more books is to just take material from their previous workshops and give each book a different title. For new Abers, this material may be beneficial and exciting but for old Abers, it may feel like just the same old stuff. I was just listening to an old workshop tape from 1997...and it has the same messages as the workshops they are doing today. Abe's message is indeed simple, but sometimes hard to practice in our chaotic lives. :scratch: To remember to pivot on negative thoughts is challenging when we already have these practiced patterns of limited thinking. To remember that we are Creators and are indeed responsible for what comes to us is easy to forget. We don’t need more Abe teachings, we just need to practice what we’ve gathered! :winking:

For me, practicing mindfulness has been the key to unraveling all that I am, to expand me into the awareness that I am, that all is, purely love. Of course, this is not what Abe teaches, but it is the "inner being" state they often speak about. The teachings of Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie are more insightful into this way of being. Simply releasing all thought and grounding into the expansiveness of my being is very joyful. As I do this, everything seems more magical, even the simple act of washing dishes. It's kind of that Oh, my gosh! feeling...of I'm alive...everything is alive...how wondrous!

The Abe way of appreciation, doing books of positive aspects, looking for a better feeling thought, are excellent tools to raise our joy level. But, you can find deeper teachings elsewhere. In fact sometimes a period of "no teachings" is a relief...to just sit in the park and watch the marvel of the trees, dogs scampering about, breezes blowing, and everything pulsing with aliveness is more than enough to know the tremendous love and power that inspired it all to be.

Much love… :heart: :heart: :heart:

The easiest way for them to create a book, would be for Esther to channel Abraham and LET THEM WRITE IT.

Andrew Wilcox - Makes You Think

[Crane]

The easiest way for them to create a book, would be for Esther to channel Abraham and LET THEM WRITE IT.

Andrew Wilcox - Makes You Think[/quote]

Amen, excuse the expression, Amen. Abraham is not being allowed to produce new work through Esther because it wouldn't fit the branding. It might be a threat to the cash flow, as this site is seen to be by Jerry. I do think they are still in the seminars, too hard and too subtle to ad lib.

But it would be nice to hear from Abraham clearly elsewhere. Just as the E-H Abe we know helped organize the basic understanding, an advanced version could help us sort out the new levels we are all exploring.

[Joyful]

[I appreciate there are people willing to pay, and pay good money, for information they already have. That tells me it will be easy for me to start my own million dollar business.

I'm happy for the success of Esther & Jerry. I wish for everyone to have so much joy and rewards in their career as they have created. I think it's wonderful.

11:11 - All is Well, and It's Always Becoming Weller.

11:11, you're funny! :D

[Joyful]

Hi Simon and all,

I can see that the books repeat the same stories...the material is taken from old workshops. I think that after The Secret came out the Hicks saw a great opportunity to market more books. Since they are so busy, I imagine the easiest method for them to create more books is to just take material from their previous workshops and give each book a different title. For new Abers, this material may be beneficial and exciting but for old Abers, it may feel like just the same old stuff. I was just listening to an old workshop tape from 1997...and it has the same messages as the workshops they are doing today. Abe's message is indeed simple, but sometimes hard to practice in our chaotic lives. :scratch: To remember to pivot on negative thoughts is challenging when we already have these practiced patterns of limited thinking. To remember that we are Creators and are indeed responsible for what comes to us is easy to forget. We don’t need more Abe teachings, we just need to practice what we’ve gathered! :winking:

For me, practicing mindfulness has been the key to unraveling all that I am, to expand me into the awareness that I am, that all is, purely love. Of course, this is not what Abe teaches, but it is the "inner being" state they often speak about. The teachings of Eckhart Tolle and Byron Katie are more insightful into this way of being. Simply releasing all thought and grounding into the expansiveness of my being is very joyful. As I do this, everything seems more magical, even the simple act of washing dishes. It's kind of that Oh, my gosh! feeling...of I'm alive...everything is alive...how wondrous!

The Abe way of appreciation, doing books of positive aspects, looking for a better feeling thought, are excellent tools to raise our joy level. But, you can find deeper teachings elsewhere. In fact sometimes a period of "no teachings" is a relief...to just sit in the park and watch the marvel of the trees, dogs scampering about, breezes blowing, and everything pulsing with aliveness is more than enough to know the tremendous love and power that inspired it all to be.

Much love… :heart: :heart: :heart:

The easiest way for them to create a book, would be for Esther to channel Abraham and LET THEM WRITE IT.

Andrew Wilcox - Makes You Think

Yes Andrew, true! But for some reason they are not doing it, so it must feel more productive for them to cut and paste from old material.

[Crane]

Joyful, I think they're concerned that newer material might include some less marketable material that would make it harder for them to rake in the cash.

[alyanm]

Love that sig quote Alan... rofl


Thank you thank you, thought it up all by me self... well maybe inner being helped a bit but I'm not giving away any credit here!

AbeBabe -- yes, I haven't got much more going on than a sense of humor so I use it to the fullest!

Dreamer -- now that would be something I'd pay to watch, feelin the love with AbeBabe and Evil Incarnate :dance:

I feel so loved, you guys are just too much!

Alan -- looking for his blanket in the Miami airport and wondering why there isn't any Starbucks....

[Ahnalira]

Well, really, it can be both. The latest books are for the basics and the seminars are more leading edge. We get to choose. If you don't like the book, don't read it, and if you are craving new Abe material, go to a seminar or get on the subscription program which is now available on MP3. That's how I get my new Abe stuff!

I really don't think there is anything wrong with making money, LOTS OF IT, and we cannot judge how Jerry and Esther are doing that. They are following their bliss, and if this feels good to them, more power to them. It's up to us to feel good no matter what.
I'm getting closer and closer to you, Sierra... waving from Miami now :wave:

I agree that workshops (and the subscription recordings) are the leading edge. I love how the Nonphysical Group that is Abraham expands with answers summoned by the questions asked and goes where ever the participants can vibrate to 'hold' the answer :meditate: I've been in workshops where the question was one I'd heard dozens of times AND the answer practically lifted me out of my chair it was so beyond any answer I'd aligned with before :joylick:

While I used to chat often with Abraham (some of you may have seen me here and there made famous by the camera rofl ), more and more often I am happy to sit in the "vibe" and resonate with All I Am while I weave worlds at the back of the room :wink2:

Speculation about what is happening in the writing of a book is beyond me. I trust the message because it always applies in my experience. I appreciate Jerry and Esther for their commitment to the message and their willingness to let their personal lives be scrutinized to give the message depth, and I do my best to appreciate what I can glean from re-reading a story more than once or I put the book down and do something else ...which - for me - is still alignment with the teaching... :dance:

On another topic - Hey, Crane :wave: I look forward to getting to know you better :biggrin:

[yeslist]

To tell the truth...I am not sure why I started this thread.....I wish Jerry and Esther an abundant life full of love and bliss.......that stuff was all in me ....I know that....It was my pie....I just had to get it out and now I'm over it. Ihope that this will never be seen as a personal attack on J&E but more a personal attack of my own resistant thoughts that come as contrast builds. I was being human....lol
A lot of stuff I write sounds like it comes from a text book.....lol
Cheers
And love vibes to my whole reality.
Simon

[windowe]

Well, really, it can be both. The latest books are for the basics and the seminars are more leading edge. We get to choose. If you don't like the book, don't read it, and if you are craving new Abe material, go to a seminar or get on the subscription program which is now available on MP3. That's how I get my new Abe stuff!

I really don't think there is anything wrong with making money, LOTS OF IT, and we cannot judge how Jerry and Esther are doing that. They are following their bliss, and if this feels good to them, more power to them. It's up to us to feel good no matter what.

Why would the newer books go backwards? Yes, let's produce less potent stuff than we have in the past. Jerry & Esther can't suppress Abraham... they can't control Abraham. In other words, if Jerry & Esther's intentions are not aligned with Abraham's intentions, they can't force Abraham to write a new book, or even speak at a seminar.

I can feel Abraham. I know when they're speaking through Esther, and I know when they're not. Can't prove it to you, but I know what I know. Did you know that there are an infinite number of entities out there, and the channel can only allow the one that's a vibrational match. If the channel isn't up to speed with themselves, they won't be up to speed with Abraham. Esther would rather be home playing with the grand-kids, but isn't allowing herself to do what feels good to her. She's got the business and all the Abe worshipers in her equation.

Go work and strive to make all the money you want, but this is guaranteed to be out of alignment with Who You Are. You are a vibrational being that gets everything by the nature of your existence, not by your effort and work. The money should be a background by-product of simply doing what feels good.

If you want new Abe material, why not meditate, and listen? It's cheaper and far more reliable.

Andrew Wilcox - Took That Advice to Heart of Really Listening to One CD

[Deva]

:clap: :clap: ALEX, you're so eloquent

and LOL simon........... :D

All is well!

Love you sweetheart

THERE'S A PARTY IN ME :D

**SHAKE, SHAKE, SHAKE**

[jonquil]

Getting pissed, for me, would require some egoity. It's certainly NOT a PERSONAL attack, no matter how hard I try to wrap my perspective around it. Do I engage in an altruistic orgy and become upset that a whole new wave of newbies are getting regurgitated information? I could! But again, why would I feel personally invested?

My trip is my trip.

Abraham has made it clear that they've ben saying the same thing for decades. When I look at other teachers, I see that they are, too.

I see that every teacher worth their salt has directed me to myself. THAT'S where the new experiences and revelations come from.

And so it goes. There's a point for peace to find peace, and we realize that we have always been that peace! And we realize that there are those who will always remain where they are to be that bridge to peace. So be it!

[Deva]

If you want new Abe material, why not meditate, and listen? It's cheaper and far more reliable.


MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! Andrew... I JUST LOVE YOU!!!!!

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Warm love from my heart... wrapping all around you!

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

:queen:

Shari - ITS ALL INSIDE ME :D :D :D :D

[Deva]

I see that every teacher worth their salt has directed me to myself. THAT'S where the new experiences and revelations come from.


I keep posting at the same time as you brilliant guys

Jon... that ass is very distracting!

But back to your post.. I agree!

The whole universe is within me!

:heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:

Love you brother!

:hug:

[windowe]

To tell the truth...I am not sure why I started this thread.....I wish Jerry and Esther an abundant life full of love and bliss.......that stuff was all in me ....I know that....It was my pie....I just had to get it out and now I'm over it. Ihope that this will never be seen as a personal attack on J&E but more a personal attack of my own resistant thoughts that come as contrast builds. I was being human....lol
A lot of stuff I write sounds like it comes from a text book.....lol
Cheers
And love vibes to my whole reality.
Simon

It's not an attack on Jerry & Esther. It's you expressing how you feel. Abraham says... if they're under your skin, get a picture of them and draw mustaches on it... throw darts at them... whatever it takes to feel good. It gets their contradictions and unaligned intentions out of your system.

I want Jerry & Esther to have an abundant life as well, just as I want ALL beings to have an abundant life, but I know from my perspective, and my truth, that I need to express what I know. It's not an attack it's an opportunity to see themselves from another perspective. I really don't care what they do, but it is a FASCINATING study in law of attraction. They are great teachers to learn about vibration, and money, and business, and control. I appreciate them for that, and know in the long run they'll be better, as we all are, for living our personal circumstances.

Andrew Wilcox - My Only Message is Self... Self... Self...

[Deva]

Andrew Wilcox - My Only Message is Self... Self... Self...

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LOVE YOU ANDREW!!!

[Deva]

My Self loves your Self....... we are :heart: one :heart:

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[Deva]

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[yeslist]

I also want to thank Ahnalira for the daily quotes I have received over the past two years in my email...FOR FREE!!!!
I guess I got mixed up in the soup of my own awareness for a minute.
It is hard to put into words the actual feeling I have about this subject.
Cheers
Simon

[GoddessNextDoor]

I :heart: you, Adal. Your posts are always so uplifting to me. Thank you! :clap:

While I haven't personally felt guided to purchase the new book, I don't think it is wrong that E & J published it. I kinda had the feeling that it would be a new version of older material. Everyone has their own perspective and their own way of learning and I'm happy to know that there are so many choices to choose from in the A-H Material.

Go back in your memory and think of how you attracted this material into your life. What form did it show up as? For each one of us here, it was something different. For some it was "The Secret", for others it was 'Ask & It Is Given"...so many different avenues leading to the same place. Remember how uplifted you felt and how grateful you were for hearing Abraham's message...you attracted the perfect method for you to receive this material. You asked, and it was given.

There are others out there who have been asking and the result is the new book. For these people, this new book is going to be a beginning for them. They're attracting this material and it will be their turn to feel that same feeling you felt as a result of hearing this message. How awesome is that? I love knowing that there are going to be more people who are learning how to take better care of themselves emotionally and spiritually.

It really is all good. Thank you for letting me share. :heart:

[aurorainskye]

Simon, I can't believe you wrote this. I have been feeling this way lately.
After the whole Jody thing here, I stopped listening to my AH cd's. I didn't listen for a few days and I haven't done that in 3 years! It was really good for me. I've been listening again lately and loving them again. But, I have the new book and can't get thru it! It's wearing me out trying to read it.
Today I heard Abe say that Jerry is one of the most enlightened beings you'll ever meet. I thought of this forum and how it was pretty much banned by them. That doesn't feel enlightened to me.
I love to read the daily Abe quotes. I love Jerry and Esther.
I generally find a new path every few years and wear it out! I've wondered for 3 years if that will happen with this one. I think AH has given me new perspectives but really, a lot of them are old perspectives refined for me.
I'm so grateful for the recordings and the dedication of J&E. It's a life work for them and I love them for it.
I just see new gateways opening for me. Abraham, via Esther, has lead me to them. I am drawing from many paths I've walked in the past and I feel new pathways before me. It's so exciting to be expanding this way. It's so wonderful to see others along the way.
ever expanding, aurora

[yeslist]

You know what would be wonderful? if we stopped following--and started to lead...

why the HELL cant we write our OWN book?


think on it my babies--and lets converse...
There is not enough paper on the planet to fill even the first copy with what we all could collectively express!
You guys all know that all we ever want and attempt to do as creators,whether by default or deliberately is ....to seek happiness and feel better in every now moment. Hand on the stove or off it we still only take action to find relief....in every degree of conscious awareness....Guru or student..murderer or victim. we all seek resolution from the focus we each currently engage.
Cheers
Simon
PS you can quote me in your book....lol...FOR FREE!!!!

[Ursula]

I have been wondering if Esther lost contact or what in the world is going on. Is there no more new information coming through or what? When I bought "The Astonishing Power of Emotions," I kept seeing the very same chapter over and over.
I am not pissed, but I have been disturbed over something else. It seems that angels have been added to the mix. I thought the Abraham channelings a cut above the rest and then when I heard them bringing angels into the mix, it made me wonder what is going on?
Like, are they jumping on the same band wagon as the other channelers with all their lords, saviors, adonais, archangels, ascended masters, alien betters from the 15th dimension, etc.
I have found the Abraham information helpful and will continue to appreciate it.
Maybe this is their way of turning us back over to our own selves.

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[yeslist]

HI Alex
Vibes of words has got in the way again....LOL relief equals and expansion in my vibrational pattern of thought.
relief from Bliss baby ! whatever that may represent.
Relief from Joy...whatevr that can be
relief from love...it is an opening of the imagination.(Abe has said that our imagination is our highest vibration...whatever that means??? still working on that one in the corner of my rabbit hole...lol)..that is what i am on about....By no means do I mean taking a back step...that is for those who kinda like the hot stove thingo!
We all seek clarity or resolution either by compromise or intention....the folks that have intention have one foot on the road to expansion while the others are stuck in the ditch of confusion. We get to choose what we want. I want what you want....excitment that resolves with harmony.....well thats what I want anyway.....I don't like conflict unless it is expanding my awareness of self. But that would be just engaging the contrast anyway...we all do that every time we focus and apply thought.
Cheers
Simon

[cigi]

relief from what? the contrast i have created so i can GROW? BRING IT THE FUCK ON!!!




Alex the Goddess, I'm 100% with you on this.

I gotta say, I haven't felt the slightest bit of contrast regarding any of the Hicks' new material. The only contrast for me was Jody's lovely visits & the fallout she caused. Even that, I was sick enough to enjoy.

In the past I really enjoyed the Hicks books. Now, they don't really offer anything for me anymore. Then again, I don't continue to read my high school Spanish books either....

[yeslist]

So Alex
what are you looking for if it is not relief from the vibe that you are resonating now?
relief keeps working all the way up the EGS scale...It doesn't suddenly change direction when we cross over into positive territory...catch my drift on this?
Your spread out in front of the sun and I'm spread out on piece of bread...not fare! lol
Cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

Hi Alex

happy expansion....lol.... that should bring relief!
Maybe I am tooofar down the rabbit hole on this one for even you my friend..(there he is ......lost in his own labyrynth) hehe!
Cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

Put it this way.....


segments of focus cause us to engage contrast which can evoke resistance from which we seek relief...get it?

[yeslist]

we live in an eternal evolving now....
so the only thing that is certain is change for we cannot help but to think. thinking engages the interaction between consciosness and thought energy and the relationship that the thinker is vibrating as they focus on a subject.
that is what out relationship to well being is....an awareness of the gap. there is always a gap....thatis why we continue to seek relief from the resistance created from our interaction with thought. We are non physical beings interacting with thought in this physical focus.
Cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

So, you are suggesting we feel good, Simon???

rofl rofl rofl
No Alex.... just find the closest thing to it in the moment of focus....he he!
cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

and now...and now...and what about? now!!!

[yeslist]

step three on Abe's manifestation process tells us the relevance of allowing .
it is the state of relief that is the place of allowing. it is the development of emotional intellegence that puts us out on the leading edge of thought. feeling our way to the next best place when focus is applied and contrast is engaged.
You guys know this
Cheers
Simon

[windowe]

And top priority is to allow self to express self as self wishes to express...

Anger IS appropriate, and necessary, and good. Going back to how this thread got started. It's always an act of reclaiming self.

[yeslist]

As long as the essence of the anger is directed at refining self, not judging other expressions of all that is for compensation of lack in self. I sailed very close to the wind on that one today myself.
Cheers
Simon

[spiceycamel]

Well,it's alll very funny now..I can't take any of it seriously at all....I'm off to have funnnn..Although it is here as well....but the suns shining and my friends (here in England )are calling..I like Alex's downstream skateboard whatsitideathingywhotsit!!!(((((boing))))))

[windowe]

As long as the essence of the anger is directed at refining self, not judging other expressions of all that is for compensation of lack in self. I sailed very close to the wind on that one today myself.
Cheers
Simon

It's valid no matter where it's directed. Everyone is getting what they want. In the end one must let go of the anger to free self, but I'd rather be angry and attached, than powerless.

[Rainbowaterfall]

In other words, if Jerry & Esther's intentions are not aligned with Abraham's intentions, they can't force Abraham to write a new book, or even speak at a seminar.

I can feel Abraham. I know when they're speaking through Esther, and I know when they're not. Can't prove it to you, but I know what I know. Did you know that there are an infinite number of entities out there, and the channel can only allow the one that's a vibrational match. If the channel isn't up to speed with themselves, they won't be up to speed with Abraham. Esther would rather be home playing with the grand-kids, but isn't allowing herself to do what feels good to her. She's got the business and all the Abe worshipers in her equation.

thanx Andrew. What you wrote really confirms what I have been feeling when I listened to the last couple of CD's. It almost sounded to me as Esther - not Abraham - was becoming exasperated with some of the hot seat questioners. lots of sighing. I thought perhaps I was simply projecting my feelings onto the situation - but what you wrote feels deep down confirming to me.

Go work and strive to make all the money you want, but this is guaranteed to be out of alignment with Who You Are. You are a vibrational being that gets everything by the nature of your existence, not by your effort and work. The money should be a background by-product of simply doing what feels good.

If you want new Abe material, why not meditate, and listen? It's cheaper and far more reliable.

Andrew Wilcox - Took That Advice to Heart of Really Listening to One CD[/quote]

[yeslist]

As long as the essence of the anger is directed at refining self, not judging other expressions of all that is for compensation of lack in self. I sailed very close to the wind on that one today myself.
Cheers
Simon

It's valid no matter where it's directed. Everyone is getting what they want. In the end one must let go of the anger to free self, but I'd rather be angry and attached, than powerless.
Yes it is valid but not always in harmony with well being...that is why we get indicators like anger. relief from anger might be frustration and relief from frustration might be hopefulness...it is just a ride toward relief and when we feel relief we are closer to allowing of the resonance of like vibes in our reality. It is valid to feel anger but it is only valid when it is relief from a lower vibe and only while it brings in a better vibing thoughts until those thoughts create new contrast and more resistant energy builds and relief is sought again. always a changing platform...our imagination's focus.
Cheers
Simon

[aurorainskye]

Thank you Simon, for starting this thread!
Throughout the many years I've been in this physical body, I've studied many "ways." They felt good at the time and I was excited and exuberant and full of myself (I like that term). Then, they usually grow stale as reasons come up to see them as apart from myself. It may be that I fall out of love with the leaders or there are too many rules. They just don't speak to me anymore.
I think Abraham will always speak to me but I may not be so easily led by what I hear. I used to be in love with making herbal products and after listening to Abe, I don't do it so much, at least not the medicinal ones. I questioned making something that I said could heal someone when I felt I was going to the knowing that only the person could do that and did I want to add to their belief that something outside of them could do that? I miss making them and I need to find my own way of making peace with it.
SOOOOO, I've decided to start The Church of My Expansion (COME). I see eyes lighting up in front of computer screens all over the world - naughty Abe freaks!
Isn't there a book in there? What are my "hymns"? What's my "bible?" Is there any of that? It's all up to me.
I love that Abe once said we can do or be or have anything. That's really the line that hooked me.
I've always known it.
I'm off to church now - COME that is.
:meditate: aurora

[cigi]

Yes it is valid but not always in harmony with well being...that is why we get indicators like anger. relief from anger might be frustration and relief from frustration might be hopefulness...it is just a ride toward relief and when we feel relief we are closer to allowing of the resonance of like vibes in our reality. It is valid to feel anger but it is only valid when it is relief from a lower vibe and only while it brings in a better vibing thoughts until those thoughts create new contrast and more resistant energy builds and relief is sought again. always a changing platform...our imagination's focus.



I'm getting to the point where I truly feel that emotions are valid no matter what part of the scale they represent. I think a huge misconception among so many Abers is that if you stay down in the gray zone (or even acknowledge that you are there briefly) then you will suddenly start to mis-create.

For me, it is more about owning my perception, my emotions and my well being. It's a matter of self respect. I allow myself to fully feel what I am feeling & honor that emotion for what it is in relevance to what I have created.

So I say, constantly seeking relief just looks like pushing against your current truth.

[cigi]

SOOOOO, I've decided to start The Church of My Expansion (COME). I see eyes lighting up in front of computer screens all over the world - naughty Abe freaks!



I love this! Perfect. A church of selfishness & naughty freaks...... Where do I get my visitors pass?

[jonquil]

Simon,
The way I see it is everything is valid. There are no conditions on validity. Do what you want, be who you be. Everything is part of the Well-Being equation, nothing is outside of the loop. How can anything escape the cycle of Well-Being when the whole of existence is founded in Well-Being? That means that all directions lead to Well-Being. Even going "down" the emotional scale. That means doing 'bad' things you should be ashamed of.

It is valid to feel anger but it is only valid when it is relief from a lower vibe
Why? I believe these types of conditional validity statements only serve to make people feel guilty about themselves. Be angry all you want. Enjoy it. I won't stop you.

Would repressing how you really feel be better?

Just be who you are. Whatever that is. Eventually you'll be happy. Happiness is who we are, so why push against anything?

Alex ~ Allows Himself To Be Angrily Joyful

I agree, to the extent that the wording could be cleared up a little. I think it would be more helpful to phrase it this way:

"Everything is valid, including anger. The only time anger is a step closer to wholeness is when it is a step up from an even more seperated emotion."

However, as far as people choosing to feel guilty about it, that's just the natural consequence of seeing things as Good & Evil, Right & Wrong. When judgment - the precurser action to feeling guilt/shame/blame/etc. - enters the picture, negative emotions are the natural result because Infinite Consciousness does not judge, therefore, judging represents a stepping away from the infinite self.

In short, anybody who would feel guilty about their emotional conditions are living in a world of judgment, and they WILL find something to feel guilty about sooner, rather than later. And, they will continue to do so until they drop judgment from it and embrace all things as valid, then begin choosing the valid experiences they want to have.

jonquil

[Deva]

Simon,
The way I see it is everything is valid. There are no conditions on validity. Do what you want, be who you be. Everything is part of the Well-Being equation, nothing is outside of the loop. How can anything escape the cycle of Well-Being when the whole of existence is founded in Well-Being?


ALEX!!

I love this!

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Feeling Good, i love all my feelings ;)

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[aurorainskye]

cigi, you can be a guest speaker at COME. I almost wrote quest speaker - that sounds good.
I might sit in the back and mock you though or go "blah, blah, blah, whatever!"
Won't that be fun? Then we can adjourn for refreshments, like moonshine and pie! :joylick:
aurora

[cigi]

yeah, I'll have the booze first & then probably skip the service..... :wink2:

[Deva]

If you need someone to come at COME i'm youre girl!

Joygasms for all!

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[aurorainskye]

If we have the booze first, the service will be so much more enlightening!
Shari will be over in the corner entertaining herself!
Simon can provide the music.

[cigi]

Well damn Aurora, how's that any different from any other Sunday morning?

[windowe]

I think Abraham will always speak to me but I may not be so easily led by what I hear. I used to be in love with making herbal products and after listening to Abe, I don't do it so much, at least not the medicinal ones. I questioned making something that I said could heal someone when I felt I was going to the knowing that only the person could do that and did I want to add to their belief that something outside of them could do that? I miss making them and I need to find my own way of making peace with it.


I've had the same journey with my own "healing" methods as well. It doesn't mean you have to discard that completely. It can be the pathway to their deeper knowing. Some still want and need the outside "solution". Providing it, doesn't mean you're doing them a disservice.

If we took this example to the extreme, we could say no one really needs a massage therapist, or a hug, of even a plumber. They should be able to get all that from within.

I'm just saying there's still room in there for what you love, even if you do see it differently.

Andrew Wilcox - Energy Alignment Specialist

[Crane]

BLISS = Sitting here reading this long thread on a Sunday morning.

You guys are THERE.

Church-wise, this last little burst reminded me of Warren Zevon's "Dirty Little Religion."

"..I'll make a dirty little convert out of you!"

[Deva]

Church-wise, this last little burst reminded me of Warren Zevon's "Dirty Little Religion."

"..I'll make a dirty little convert out of you!"

:lol: Dave.. where do I sign up?

;)

[aurorainskye]

Thank you Andrew! You're right - but you knew that! There is a way and I WILL do it. It's been in my VE forever. I used to listen to plants before I listened to Esther channel Abe. Abe seems to say though that if you listen to the plants and animals, they mostly say "all is well." Maybe, but I think they all have gifts and talents. I think they say, "look at me" a lot. I just know I like to play with them and cut them apart and eat them! Maybe I'm evil too!

I won't get into Andrew worship but I'll say it now, since you've spoken to me. You wrote something years ago during the Terry thread that really helped me a lot!! It has served me well since then. :hug:

Shari - that cow picture - OMG!

aurora

[Crane]

Church-wise, this last little burst reminded me of Warren Zevon's "Dirty Little Religion."

"..I'll make a dirty little convert out of you!"

:lol: Dave.. where do I sign up?

;)

"...Dirty little acolytes..."

Shari, you signed up long.

"...I'll make a dirty little religion out of loving...
I'll make a dirty little convert out of you..." :kiss2:
:joylick:

[aurorainskye]

But, Andrew, do you hold them in that place of looking for help outside of themselves by providing,in this case, herbal remedies and more importantly, do I hold myself there? OR, could I be in a place where communing with the plants as I make the "medicines" provides me with fun and people are drawn to it by the vibration? Hmmmm.
chewing,
aurora

[Deva]

bettie--boop~ I wanna be a high priestess of COME....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:heart:

[Deva]

I dont seek relief because as cigi said to me once--I OWN and HONOR my emotions--heck, i ENJOY being weepy! i ENJOY being angry--i ENJOY feeling down and dirty--I enjoy feeling evil--i also enjoy feeling lustful, productive, happy and blissful....

whats interesting really is FEELING MY FEELINGS always brings me joy--either spiritually--or right in the moment--when i TRUELY allow myself to WALLOW in an emotion for time--its like YA! this is living baby! this is FEELING--this is AWESOME~

and pop--i have moved UP the scale instantaneously--because i ENJOYED feeling the emotion and that just starts my cork to float--and i NATURALLY progress right up the scale to where my vibration naturally is...

I know Abe has processes--i havent ever been into the processes--because i just naturally allow all the time...;) I allow myself to be happy--and i allow myself to be angry---and its all good :)

FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!

Couldn't have said it better my Soul Sister!

:love:

:dance: :dance:

[Dance of Joy]

I don't much give a rip how they market their wares. I was at the workshop in Toronto yesterday, and I still felt the intense love and connection from Abraham that I felt the first time I saw Esther channel them. I LOVE THAT. That is all I need to know.

Love,
Christine

[Deva]

I also wanted to add that I find my capacity to love has expanded now I allow myself to feel all my feelings fully... my heart is getting bigger and bigger and overflowing with love.....

St Germain said: 'When you honor your emotions your heart flowers'

and i find that to be so true

I totally adore getting into my feelings and feeling them and allowing them and i cleanse myself of all the negative ones really quickly.. and like the goddess.. its a good feeling experience all the way once i stop struggling against them or wishing i was feeling something else.. EMOTIONS ROCK!!!!

Did somebody ever say emotions are the language of the soul?

Hehe well i'm saying it now

All is well man.....

I love you guys!

:kiss1: :kiss4: :kiss2: :kiss3:

And to Christine, i'm not suprised you felt the love.. YOU ARE LOVE so thats all you'll feel!

Love you sister!

:love:

:queen:

[Steph]

hmmmm.... you guys have me thinking about emotions... because I do not enjoy wallowing in anger - it feels very foreign to me at this point, and is not who I be anymore. Why would I choose a vacation in hell when I live in paradise?

I recognize it so quickly now, and I shift so quickly that it is only just a blip on the radar. I KNOW that all is well and I don't choose to stay there because it is easy to move right on thru as my cork pops back to the top.

The only time anger feels good to me is as I am moving up out of powerlessness or depression - and even then I don't choose to stay there. Doesn't this come down to personality choices? Like I would prefer a peaceful sunset to a rollercoaster?

These are my thoughts based on my own experiences and choices.

Love and joy, Steph

[yeslist]

I think I'll just go back into my cave and hibernate a tad longer...when I come out next time some of you might have caught up with my thoughts.....lol
Alex I love you and I think I understand where you are coming from(source) I just love chasing well being...I'll dance off now....bye

[yeslist]

I understand what Simon is saying althoug the word relief also sounds like something to be healed of or released from... I like it more the word expansion. Contrast puts us in a situation where we naturally seek to go beyond... (Isn't that the relief you are talking about, Simon?)

I love this: I am deeply satisfied with what is, but I am always eager for more! (And we are always more than what we are allowing ourselves to see, everytime)[/size]
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:hug: yep exactly!!!!
I'm going back to sleep now......snzZZZZZZZZZ

[spiceycamel]

:joylick: :joylick: I'm only writing here to show off as I've had a fun afternoon of expansion now it's been brought up..A little bunch of us Abe types hit the Ritz in Picadilly for afternoon tea ,my god we are soooo fucking posh!...and than Green park for the rest of the time.
..In my experience whenevre a load of us go out we allways seem to be the loudest and most vibrant around...Not much problem with us expressing I can say..Ha Ha!!
I think we all worked out that it's fun knowing it's ok feeling what ever and it's ok and we's having fun anyway and that don't make much sense but..I don't give a monkeys....No reference to Sharis flying Monkeys..Hee! I always feel on a high after these times ,and hopefully won't come down too much ,sometime soon..!!!! Now looking forward to da cruise!! :drum: :heart:

[jonquil]

Oh, I would be remiss, Yeslist, if I didn't take this opportunity to thank-you for being TOTALLY in the NOW when you started this post.

No matter where you are now with regards to it, nothing can take away the beauty of the total stream of now-ness you were soaking in as you wrote it!

You have a courage and presence of being that is a light in-and-of itself.

Jonquilmusic

[Deva]

I just wanted to clarify for Steph that its not wallowing its allowing the emotion to be and thus cleansing it

i used to feel like i had to always drag myself to a better feeling thought like anger was a bad thing, now i know its okay to feel anger and when i just let it be, it passes quickly, poof! its gone.

Just a dif perspective i guess

I'm saying its okay to feel whatever you are feeling!

:hug:

:meditate:

I love you guys!

:D

:heart: :love: :heart: :love: :heart: :love:

:grouphug:

:queen:

[Ahnalira]

hmmmm.... you guys have me thinking about emotions... because I do not enjoy wallowing in anger - it feels very foreign to me at this point, and is not who I be anymore. Why would I choose a vacation in hell when I live in paradise?

I recognize it so quickly now, and I shift so quickly that it is only just a blip on the radar. I KNOW that all is well and I don't choose to stay there because it is easy to move right on thru as my cork pops back to the top.

The only time anger feels good to me is as I am moving up out of powerlessness or depression - and even then I don't choose to stay there. Doesn't this come down to personality choices? Like I would prefer a peaceful sunset to a rollercoaster?

These are my thoughts based on my own experiences and choices.

Love and joy, Steph
This is kindred to my experience as well, and I agree with Simon's description of the power of emotion when it is used to propell myself towards more and more refined levels of 'relief' aka wellbeing. For me, it doesn't matter what verbiage is used - the experience can be framed in whatever words and still have the same result :joylick:

Here's one of my experiences as an example (I'm going to keep it short and simple so there will be lots of details I don't cover in this post :wink2: ) : I went horseback riding in Belize four and half years ago. The horse started galloping back to the barn and - when I gave him a cue requesting a slower gait - he started bucking. I hit my pubic bone on the saddle horn and burst the L-3 vertebrae and caused a compression fracture in the T-11 vertebrae. As soon as I came back to consciousness on the ground, I knew instinctively that my health and wellbeing depended on my ability to become All I Am as I moved my body back to the cruise ship (without an ambulance). I stepped sideways from fear and pain and anger; I intentionally abided in a soft, gentle place within. I got myself to the doctor on the cruise ship who did an x-ray and told me the fracture was a less an 1/8th of an inch from severing my spinal cord. He was bemused and amazed that I had gotten myself back to the ship without a body cast - riding in a car, walking, and riding in a boat from the dock to the ship - in the physical state I was in.

I know how I did it. I did it by making a choice to shift my emotional landscape into a sense of harmony. For me, it was the epitomy of how reaching for relief works :dance:

Sierra, you figured out who Alan is :wink2: We're in the Sacred Valley now. 8000ft altitude and surrounded by glaciers at 18,000 ft. It's magical (I feel myself re-configuring in the wondrous vibe here) ...and there's internet :dance:

[Deva]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Ahna! :D
:grouphug:

I found that focusing on the fact that i was upstream didn't help me move downstream, when i just let go.. let go of the emotion.. my boat just turned :D

Me thinks we are saying the same thing.

:dance:

:heart: :heart: :drum: :heart: :heart:

You are a :queen:

[Ahnalira]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Ahna! :D
:grouphug:

I found that focusing on the fact that i was upstream didn't help me move downstream, when i just let go.. let go of the emotion.. my boat just turned :D

Me thinks we are saying the same thing.

:dance:

:heart: :heart: :drum: :heart: :heart:

You are a :queen:
:hug: Me thinks so, too, Shari... and you did it with such sweet simplicity :wink2:

[cigi]

Shari - have I told you lately that you are a damn genius?


You, my sis, are so right. I love that at such a young age, you've GOT it. Honoring your feelings is by no means the same as wallowing in anger - or anything else, for that matter.

I feel what I feel!!! AND I respect it - dammit! I OWN it. Wallow? No. Respect - YES! All day....

[Steph]

I just wanted to clarify for Steph that its not wallowing its allowing the emotion to be and thus cleansing it


Shari, hun, I was just using the word that Alex used - no offense intended. I understand the joy that Alex gets by reveling (better word?) in her wide range of emotions - I love that about her!! :joylick:

I completely agree that it's ok to feel what you are feeling - but, I don't enjoy hanging out in lower vibrations any longer than it takes to recognize and shift. I love, too, your description of "allowing the emotion" to cleanse it - I agree, but allowing can be in the blink of an eye, or maybe take a week to muck around in - we can all feel what is right for us and adjust accordingly.

Much love to you, dear!!

Love and joy, Steph

[Steph]

I did it by making a choice to shift my emotional landscape into a sense of harmony. For me, it was the epitomy of how reaching for relief works :dance:


Beautiful example! You work it well!!!

Love and joy, Steph