The act of thinking.

[yeslist]

No contrast, no life force.

We are born into the contrast and, our desire is born out of it.

The contrast is the accumulation of all that is vibrationally. We give birth to desire as we are exposed to the contrast through our act of thinking.

It is this act of thinking that is the key to vibrational engagement.

For example:

When we meditate we desire no thought so thus there is no act of thinking while in that segment of meditation.
It seems that Abraham is encouraging us to gain control of this action rather than it control us.

Where there is no thought(active), there can be no resistance.

It is like we throw our Thought activation mechanism out of gear, so to speak.

I don't know but, if we were to do that for too long(disengaging our thinking mechanism) we may run the risk of transitioning back to the non physical.

I wonder whether folks who practice extended bouts of this kind of meditation experience a transitioning effect?


Your thoughts?

[yeslist]

What the...?
If we didn't actively think we would not be able to create. Please enlighten me? all desire requires the act of thinking.

[yeslist]

"you will have to croak before you are always allowing. We want you to reach for those downstream thoughts, but don't fear the upstream thoughts. Your power will come from being in any experience, and knowing you are in full control, able to reach your way to downstream thoughts from where you are."
This is my point exactly!
We cannot help but think while we are in this physical place.We can not draw in more energy unless we actively think it into being. Allowing is passive. Thought (thinking )is ACTIVE and, is constantly attached to our physical focus.
Alex.. you could not answer my post until you thought about it.
Allowing is the product of aligned thought. Allowing is harmonised vibration as a result of thinking vibrationally aligned thoughts. Well it is in my reality any how. :lol:
Cheers
Simon

[Patricia b]

I think thinking is fun, don't you think so?
:dance:

[yeslist]

Hi Pat
I think.......Thinking causes the reflection of who we are. As we collect data, that data is processed in our imagination by the act of thinking. It is interesting that we have a number of body functions that seem to require little or no thought at all.(breathing). Active thinking seems to be a function that is like a response to some stimuli, for example the contrast of what is around us. We don't normally actively think about our breathing unless we are in a situation where we can't easily breath.
So we tend to generally allow ourselves to breathe without actively thinking about that process.
Because the contast is always in a state of change we tend to actively use the thinking process to assess whether it is still OK to hold the same belifs(thought forms ) regarding the new version of the stimuli offered from contrast. I think this is getting a bit deeeeeeeeep!
Yes Pat thinking is fun! :lol:

[Nightprincessa]

Try it. Don't think for a week and get back to me. That's homework. :biggrin:

Alex, I'm intrigued now... hmm... how can you not think? :scratch:
Or, do you mean not think about what you want anymore, after you have launched your desire?... Or, not think about anything that might contradict it?

Very interesting, please let us know your take on this. :study:

Love :loveflag:

Martika :heart:

[SeattleSekhmet74]

Good stuff. Ok I think what Alex means by not thinking is to try a week of not judging (maybe I'm wrong). Meaning don't disect stuff, don't analyze stuff, don't define it as good or bad, just let it "be." Actually just start with one day, because it's definitely not as easy as it sounds.

Simon, *YES* on "thinking causes the reflection of who we are," which "who we are" is really an illusion, of course, because it's just life reflecting our beliefs back to us and can be changed at any time by choosing to change our thoughts...and it is just a focal point for which we create, or I should say which we allow Source to create through us.
Deep indeed.

[yeslist]

Hmmmmmm....
I thought we are extentions of source here in the physical. I thought we are the creators because we are the thinkers. Source and I are one. I am a creative aspect/facet of all that is. I am an individual expression of source energy. I did not think that I was some kind of condute for someone elses expression. I just don't get the bit about allowing source to create through us when I thought we where source.
Just playing with ya :lol: words often get in the way of a good vibe.
Have fun
Simon

[asjairok]

I don't know but, if we were to do that for too long(disengaging our thinking mechanism) we may run the risk of transitioning back to the non physical.

I wonder whether folks who practice extended bouts of this kind of meditation experience a transitioning effect?


Your thoughts?
N n n no.
no,
Only there is possible to delete things from your head,
like things that you learned-mathematics from faculty... :D
I know people that meditate, and they know people that meditate, and they were telling me this.But this guys meditate like a lot. They believe in meditation, like we follow Abraham, they follow meditation.

[asjairok]

I thought we are the creators because we are the thinkers.

I think we are Creators because we are perceivers and we are choosers.

Alex -- Feeling the 'All is Well'
Yes, but ... meditation is process...we don't meditate 24 hours...process of meditation helps us, but we're not only meditators, in meditation, from my experience- we realize our thinking about something is illusionary, and therefore we benefit ......and we are not having all that thoughts, we had before, and therefore we don't react on thoughts that are making us think more, on the ways we're used to, and those ways are stupid-unable our manifestations, with attractions they made.

We're creators because all our system is made that way. We are because we are(creators)

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[color=#0040BF]You see Alex the game you're playing: I think[ we're Creators because we are perceivers and we are choosers.-YOU THINK, and he said that he thinks that is because we're thinkers THINKERS. you think, so It means you BELIEVE that it is because of we are perceivers and choosers, It doesn't mean I KNOW WHAT MAKES US CREATORS. Thought is tricky thing, it is part of illusionary , still we make reality out of it, our truths. It is material that we use to create. :mrgreen: We're creators because of thoughts and perceiving and choosing. :mrgreen: Meditations helps us not to think thoughts that we don't want, some analysis bla bla bla bla bla chew in our mind . Our vibration stays clear to attract what we wished for./color]

[AbeBabe333]

Seems to be a matter of semantics going on here. Fascinating how people can define one word so many different ways. The only way not thinking makes any sense to me is if you define that as judging as someone already said.

Here's my perception.
The mind is meant to think.
We are the leading edge of THOUGHT.

Abe advises to meditate and stop all thought ( or as much thought as possible) for just a while if we cannot seem to break the habit of negative thought. As a way of stopping negative vibration long enough to connect to IB and shift vibration which will budge your point of attraction.

Learning to change habits of thinking and choose positive thought is what it's all about. No matter what's going on, no matter what conditions exist, stop and THINK about what thoughts you can be choosing in the moment. And choose thoughts that feel better and shift your point of attraction. There is no goal of experiencing 100% non-physical while we are physical. Why come forth at all in that case? lol We didn't come forth to NOT think or sit and meditate all day. The goal is a blending of action inspired by thought inspired by guidance from Inner Being.

[yeslist]

Exactly!
You know how it works
:D Cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

"The contrast is the accumulation of all that is vibrationally. We give birth to desire as we are exposed to the contrast through our act of thinking.

It is this act of thinking that is the key to vibrational engagement. "
That is what I said in my original post. Thinking is an action and it takes effort(energy) to engage. Hoiw can this be interpreted in any other way. I am not talking about what we think about in this thread I am more focused on the action and its relationship to our creative expansion.
Cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

Moving on from this point.... How do we describe this energy that enables us to activate our thinking in the first place? Thinking requires a degree of physical action. Getting to the essence of where this energy originates can possibly clarify aspects of our beingness.
Is this energy that motivates us to thought a vibrational base that has been built on through our experience in the contrast both from our imediate physical presence and our broader non physical accumulative perspective.
I know this is a deep concept but I think there is some value in pursuing it. Ask and it is given...the answer always comes.
The area of confusion for me is our Imagination and its function in the creative process. I only see a clouded picture of this amazing aparatus and how it acts as a kind of store house and distribution facility for data as it flows in from the contrast that we are exposed to as we extend into this physical environment.
I am attempting to put all the pieces of this puzzle together for my own clarity of perception.
Harmony of perception in an expansive universe is like the "holy grail" for me.
Cheers
Simon
PS I am bracing myself for the reply that says...... "Simon.....Me thinks, you think too much!" :lol:

[yeslist]

Disengaging your thinking gear is the same thing as removing your focus. However,If we were to remove our focus indefinately, what would be the point of being here?
I have been thinking about focus and the 17 second thingo.....I think that when we hold a visualisation in our imagination it is like we are holding or extending/stretching the moment of focus and creating a bridge for non physical communion.
If all things non physical are simultaneous and we draw into this physical environment non physical potential with our imagination. Does it make sense that we are allowing the power of the non physical universe to extend into that visualisation and the longer we hold it in timespace the more vibrationally potent the resonance is in our own creating?
What I am seeing with this thought is.... there is only this non physical non place with unlimited potential possibility of thought vibration that is pure aligned source energy. As we draw in this energy through our active imagination we interpret this pure vibration by the way we feel about the subject we are focusing on. So if our dominant vibration is one that is in alignment with the energy being desired and that energy is allowed to flow in unrestricted for the maximum sustainable focused time. Then our imediate vibration should reflect this energy at whatever degree of clarity that is sustained.
Because we have initiated our desire from choices present from the contrast of our experience, then our dominant vibration is refined by this focusing our attention on what we visualise being wanted.
Thus, if the new thoughts that gather around the vibration visualised reflect our vibrational relationship to the pureness of the visualisation. Our emotional set point. By choosing thoughts that harmonise with the pure energy that is being drawn in, we are creating a new reality for our experience. We are the choosers and refiners of our own experience. All done through thought in our imagination.
So, where is the value in having no focus? The only place for that is when we are experiencing overwhelment from resistant thoughts from passive choices that eminate from living by defalt.(living as an observer where the good gets better and the bad gets worse. "blow'n along with the breeze")
That is why Abraham would offer us processes that help to take the control of the act of thinking.
Thinking is what we do. If we don't think we don't vibrate and when we don't vibrate we can't create in that state of being. That is why Abraham says that we only create in our conscious state of being.
Cheers
Simon

[yeslist]

Hi 11:11
I am not on about thoughts, but the act of thinking. It requires energy and this energy originates in source. It is part of the cycle of expansion.
No focus = no vibration .
When we are taught to meditate by Abraham, they suggest we focus on our breathing. So, they encourage us not so much to have no focus but to reduce our thinking activity back to a focus that is normally something we don't normally think to much about. Afocus on breathing is a downstream focus for we all realise the value in being able to breath. As for listening for direction, I disagree, for the only direction I will respond to is the emotional guidance offered by my IB as the result of me exercising my desiring. It is in the activity of thought that our emotional state of being is revealed. Not while I am meditating. No focus = no emotional guidance. Impossible, it defies the LOA. LOA requires active thought. That is the point about Abraham's version of meditation, which is, to find relief from overwhelment of resistant thought. It is only supposed to be temporary so that we can get a grip on our reality. This time space reality that we find ourself in requires that we organise our thoughts and meditation is like a place to go when our stream moves too fast for our ability to get it all together. That's the way I understand all this stuff. I often find that meditation is like taking a break from my emotional adventure for just a few minutes so that I can hit the ground running again at the end of that time.
Cheers
Simon

[Jen415]

First of all, hi Simon!! :wave:

I find myself unfocused much of the time (some call it scatterbrained! lol). But I find that when I do quiet my mind and focus on breathing, so much clarity happens!! And stuff gets done. Truly Amazing!!

[yeslist]

Hi Jen
I think there is a very big difference between the vibrations of being unfocused(scatter brained) and having no focus(no active thinking).Active thought is the stuff that vibrates, and everything else in this reality is a reflection of those thoughts. Even though we may be unfocused(as you stated) we still have an activation of our thinking mechanism and our imagination. A lot of us find it difficult to gain a clear focus on what we truly want, but Heck!....that is what this adventure is about....finding things we desire, so that the life force can flow in.
Cheers
Simon